Originally Posted by fiddlybits (Post 801912)

I have been helping a friend with his Model A and yesterday we were fixing the flat tires.
We were pleased to find that the wheels are clean of rust, both surface and inside the rim and that they run true. We decided to clean them and paint them shiny black and they are all set for the tires to go back on.

The question we have is: There are no "rubber bands" on any of the rims. Since the rims are clean and smooth are these needed?

Thanks
Scot

Originally Posted by fiddlybits (Post 802462)

Guys, I getting confused here.

What I am reading is they are not needed but....

"They are cheap insurance...."
"They give peace of mind....."
"They are a safeguard... "

......but against what?

Rough insides of the wheels

My question now is: Did Ford ever install these or were they added later when a rim had a problem?

See Tom's post above

Some thoughts:

On my old motorcycles I had spoked wheels and the purpose of the rubber band was to protect the inner-tube from the ends of the spokes. But the Model A wheels use a welded spoke that does not go through the rim.

But in some cases roughens up the surface, See Toms post.

If it is to keep the tube from contacting metal then the rubber band is too narrow as it only covers the valley bottom. The tube would still contact the metal from the bead to the valley walls.

There are liners and there are flaps, flaps are wider. Depends on how bad the metal is

The rim is not a split rim so there is no need for protection from the split.

I could see installing them if I had rust or rough surface problem on the inside of the rims but a new wheel would not have this. (and we don't)

Then don't install them, no post here has said you HAVE to.

An old story:
My wife was preparing a ham one time and I watched as she cut the end off the ham and put it in the pan. I asked her why she cut off about 1/5 of the ham and she said that it was the way her mother taught her to bake a ham. Curious, I call my Mother In Law and asked her why she had taught my wife to prepare the ham that way. She said that it was the way HER mother had taught her. When asked about this her mother said "the whole ham would not fit in the tiny pan she had".
So, for 2 generations a procedure had been performed for no reason at all other than "that's the way I was taught". It was never questioned.

Are rim liners (rubber bands) being put in because "we always have"?

NO, most are not as lucky as you to have wheels in such great shape. Restorers put them in due to not wanting to take a chance on missing something on the wheel and they are cheap insurance. You can use duct tape if you want.



Respectfully, what is the purpose of the rim liner in our Model A wheels?

Re-read the thread to see several reasons.

Scot

Originally Posted by fiddlybits (Post 802486)

I am sorry, I don't know what just happened.

I am new at this and obviously I have done something that was offending but I don't know what I did.

I was just trying to find out if these were a needed item and why they were or why they are being install if they are not.

I guess I'll just google it from now on.

Thanks for your time.

Scot

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida (Post 802496)

The problem was, you received your answer but kept asking the question. You did it again here. You asked if they were a needed item and got the answer, depends on the condition of the wheel.

You asked why were they being installed if not needed and you got the answer, insurance in case something was missed.

I sorry if you did not like the answer you read.

You are of course welcome to ask more questions if you like, but you were beating a dead horse on this one.

You really want to be confused, ask what oil is best for A model A. :eek:

Originally Posted by fiddlybits (Post 802573)

I liked the answer I read....the very first answer. Post #2.

My post #5 was in response to post #2, that originally stated, as the first line, that they were not needed. (The first line of that reply is not there now.) That is why my reply started with "OK, great" and ended with we were going to mount without and revisit this later.

Reply #3 & #4 came in while I was typing #5.

I had my answer of they were not needed and you stated that in your post #7. (But there was no reason why they were being used.)

And then the other answers started appearing. So I asked what the purpose was. (different question)

I fail to see where I was beating a dead horse.

Tom Wesenberg answered that question with the info on the paper liner and the pointy welds. No other answer prior to that had a reason. I asked no more questions after I got the answers.


FWIW, To all those that helped, my friends grandfather was very please that we not only mounted his tires but took the time to find out the information.

Scot