1933 Ford Deluxe V8 Phaeton in France
 

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This 1933 Ford Deluxe V8 Phaeton is shown in the Nov/Dec 2024 issue of V8 Times.
It is Right Hand Drive, and was obviously built in Australia.

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You may be wondering why I stated that this 1933 Ford Phaeton (Post 1) was built in Australia?
Take a look at the 4 separate Door Hinges on this 1933 Ford Phaeton, plus the false panel above the Running Boards.
The above illustration shows the Centre Pillar, Doors and False Panel on an Australian 1934 Ford Phaeton.
That is why I suggested that it was originally built in Australia.

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Compare this photo of the Doors and Centre Pillar on this American 1934 Ford Deluxe Phaeton.
Notice that both Doors swing on the same Hinges, unlike the Australian design.
There is no False Panel above the Running Boards.
That is why I suggested that it was originally built in Australia.
No body part except for the Cowl is interchangeable between these two countries of manufacture.

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Trevor
Thank you for sharing this interesting information on the Aussie phaetons....The 33 you posted pictures of has body color fenders....what that standard practice in Australia OR an owner decision??? ALSO I noticed the Aussie Phaeton with what looks like"different" style door handles or is it just a funky reflection of them???

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The picture is fuzzy , but the handles look like 32 handles to me.

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33 roadster and phaeton outside door handles are identical to 32's except for the length of the shank.The end of the shank is threaded for securing the inside handle which a 32 does not have.

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Sheldon


Thanks for the continuing education.....Amazing all the detail changes from year to year. Blows me away!!

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Exterior Door Handle for 1932, 1933 and early 1934 Australian Open Fords

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Exterior Door Handle for late 1934 Australian Open Fords

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Interior Door Handle on 1933- 1934 Australian Open Fords

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Even the cowls are different.

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Modification to Australian Cowls on Australian 1933 and 1934 Fords.
The only difference in the Cowls that I am aware of is that the bottom of the original imported Cowls were pie-cut to raise the bottom moulding to line up with the False Panel on Australian 1933 and 1934 Fords.
Refer to above photo showing the different angle this moulding takes after it was modified.
However, before this modification, they started out as the same

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American 1934 Ford Cowl showing Moulding in original position on top of Running Board.

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Sheldon,


To avoid or perhaps create confusion, the North American Model A - '32 open car outside door handle shank are threaded like the '33 open car handles. It's the shank length that differs with the shank on the '33 handle nearly 3/4" longer.



I wish the vendors would correct their listings as they list them all as being equal, which they are not. Reproductions of the '33 handles haven't been available for years.

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This appears to me to be the exterior style of 1932-34 closed cars with the mounting bezel of the 1932 3 Window/1933-34 closed car style. My understanding is the US "1934" open car handle did not have the pronounced "eyebrow" of the closed car handle and used the narrow bezel similar in dimensions to 1929-33 open cars.


The inside handle appears to me to be the same or very close to what was used US 1929-31 and 1933-34 open cars, and was also used on the panel truck rear doors 1929-1956 (or even later).

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Thanks much for this!

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Karl,


And station wagons of the era.

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Hello Mercman and Barn members.
Thanks for relaying the V8-Times article.
I am the proud owner of this car. I confirm it is right-hand drive !
The car was built in Canada most probably Q1 1933, confirmed by RG127 president soon after purchase in 2000.
I try to keep it as original as possible but had to fit repro parts as and when since NOS parts are very difficult to source in Europe.
Happy to share more details to those interested.
Take care

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Hi torpedo, I love your 1933 Ford Deluxe V8 Phaeton.
Can you please tell me the Body Number of your car.
This is the location of the Body Number on 1933 and 1934 Ford Cowls
Please add a colour photo of your 1933 Ford to this Thread.
Regards Mercman <><

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It's a lovely car, but there would have been a better source for opinions as to its origins such as the Club's '33 technical advisor. Because Ford of Australia was at that time a subsidiary of Ford of Canada, some confusion is understandable, especially since the latter supplied the former with its V8 power trains and chassis components. However, Ford of Australia manufactured its own bodies which had a numerous unique features to simplify their construction and hold down the costs. One of those features was the more extensive use of wood in the bodies in response to the lower sales volumes of largely domestic sales only without exports.


Trevor's comments as to the car's origins are accurate. It is well traveled.,

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Hi Trevor,
I have checked both sides of the cowl but there are no numbers stamped on it ;-(
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Take care

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Your 1933 Ford Deluxe V8 Phaeton is a real beauty.

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Thanks Trevor.

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My 1934 Ford Deluxe V8 Phaeton - Australian body

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Awsome car. Beautiful color combination. Congrats :)
Australian phaetons did not have cowl lights ?

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I have a Canadian '34 standard phaeton (no cowl lights) that I imported to the US from Ontario, Canada. The body appears to be the same as a US manufactured body other than the floor pan. The floor has battery access openings on both sides, possibly to interchange for both RHD and LHD production?

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Welcome to the gang of Phaeton owners !
My car, presumably of Canadian origin, does not have openings on both sides. Just one on right side.

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Front Floor in Australian 1933/1934 Fords

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Hi Trevor,
Good photos. I have this on my car ;)

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This is the only part of an Australian 1933-1934 Ford that is Steel - the part that is under the rear seat.
Everywhere else is Wood.

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The photo below is of a '33 Canadian passenger car floor. The U.S.floor was the same. In both cases, a second battery access hole was added for RHD V8 applications as both Ford of Canada and Ford U.S. built both LHD and RHD vehicles for export (but not with made in Australia bodies).


Between Trevor's floor photos and this attachment, this discussion should be pretty well settled. You have a '33 Australian phaeton.

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Hi Trevor,
Many thanks for this information. I will double check but I believe the car has wooden floor boards. This would means the car was assembled in Australia.
With information posted by David (post #21) it would make sense that a Canadian-built engine was installed in the car. It is probably the engine serial number C18HF**** that led Chris Sanders (RG#127) to declare it manufactured in Canada.
What still puzzles me is despite that I do not have full owners history, I did trace two US-based owners in Illinois back in the 80's.
Maybe a previous owner shipped it from Australia ?...:confused:
Many thanks David for providing the final and binding verdict:D;)

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While noticeably less post-'32, a fair number of Australian '32 phaetons were imported here by American hobbyists in the 1970s and 1980s.

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Trevor,
Are there any other things that were specific to Australian phaetons that I could check up on my car apart from floor boards ?

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The body number on the cowl, as Trevor pointed out, would be a biggy!!!

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I agree with you rockfla but after careful inspection I could not find any number on the cowl...

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British Empire Product Emblem fitted to Dash on Australian 1933-1934 Fords