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mcgarrett 03-14-2022 05:56 PM

1940 Ford wheels?
 

I have two 6.00 x 16" Ford wheels with dates of 11-18-40 and 11-19-40 stamped on the wheels. Would I be correct in assuming by the dates being so late in the year that they would be for use on 1941 Fords?

Kube 03-14-2022 06:17 PM

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Production of 1940 Ford passenger cars was for pretty much ceased by October, 1940.
So yes, you'd be correct in assuming your rims would have been installed on a '41 Ford.
Other than the date codes, the rim design is the identical to 1940.

mcgarrett 03-14-2022 06:23 PM

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I was pretty sure that was the case and it makes sense.

alchemy 04-07-2022 02:42 PM

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6" wide 1940 wheels? Are you sure? If they really are, they have to be rare commercial wheels, and are probably very valuable.

Kube 04-07-2022 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alchemy (Post 2119595)
6" wide 1940 wheels? Are you sure? If they really are, they have to be rare commercial wheels, and are probably very valuable.

My guess? The original poster was measuring the very outside width.

svm99 04-07-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kube (Post 2119602)
My guess? The original poster was measuring the very outside width.

If not a typo, then agreed, we should school them, wheels are measured inside the flange. The wheel will be stamped with the size near the date stamp also.
Paul J.

cas3 04-07-2022 03:38 PM

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Tire size 6.00 x 16 is my guess

Kube 04-07-2022 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cas3 (Post 2119614)
Tire size 6.00 x 16 is my guess

A good and reasonable guess for certain.
I'm going with my theory still. The poster did state "wheel"- not tire.
Still, anyone's guess...

alchemy 04-07-2022 08:12 PM

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Sorry, I just got excited. The wider steel wheels of the era are very coveted, and some with 1940 dates sounded like a real oddity.

mcgarrett 04-08-2022 07:18 PM

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The wheels I was referring to in my original post are designed to fit tire size 6.00x16. :)

mercman from oz 04-08-2022 07:51 PM

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1649465446
1940 Ford Deluxe 16 Inch Wheel

V8COOPMAN 04-08-2022 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mercman from oz (Post 2119877)


Ain't that pretty? It just so happens that that particular wheel/tire is the original spare out of a '41, although it is the same wheel as a '40. Note the "FORD" script on tire at about one o'clock! Coop


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cas3 04-08-2022 11:58 PM

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I have a ford script tire, well not mint like that one, but it is ford script !

Lanny 04-09-2022 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN (Post 2119909)
Ain't that pretty? It just so happens that that particular wheel/tire is the original spare out of a '41, although it is the same wheel as a '40. Note the "FORD" script on tire at about one o'clock! Coop


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Note how the lugnut hole on the '40 and the '41 wheels have the normal
taper on the inside of each lugnut hole, but the '40 & '41 Wheels do NOT
volcano-out around each lug hole, as my picture of a '46 wheel below is,
but instead the '40 & '41 wheels are FLAT around each lugnut hole. ;)

Click on picture to Enlarge ;)

mercman from oz 04-09-2022 12:29 AM

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1649481463

1946 Ford Wheel Centre showing taper of Wheel Stud Holes - different from the 1940-1941 Ford Wheels. Lanny

Kube 04-09-2022 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cas3 (Post 2119614)
Tire size 6.00 x 16 is my guess

Good guess! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

cas3 04-09-2022 08:45 PM

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I got lucky ! ...once

alchemy 04-10-2022 10:01 AM

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Since we are discussing "original" 40 wheels, I think this is a good place to ask the expert about the changes in 41. The way I understood it was the 40 wheel was 4" wide, with the drop center having square sides on front and back. But in 41 they were 4" with a square drop on the front and a taper on the back. What say you Kube?

V8COOPMAN 04-10-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by alchemy (Post 2120120)
The way I understood it was the 40 wheel was 4" wide, with the drop center having square sides on front and back. But in 41 they were 4" with a square drop on the front and a taper on the back.


alchemy ....Do you actually have a 4-INCH wheel with drop center square in front, and tapered in rear? I have never seen a 16" (4" wide) Ford wheel like that. Coop

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cas3 04-10-2022 10:33 AM

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Tapered on one side are 4.5" wide I always thought. I had not ever noticed the different stamping around the stud holes though, so I have learned something new here

V8COOPMAN 04-10-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cas3 (Post 2120128)
Tapered on one side are 4.5" wide I always thought.


That's exactly the way I have always understood it. And don't forget that the elusive '41 Merc wheels which are 5 INCHES wide also have the square front and tapered rear drop centers. Coop


1941 Merc 5" Wide Wheels-Two Pictures BELOW

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...3&d=1643577113


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...3&d=1649605945


Also notice that the '41 Merc has the five lug holes WITHOUT the "volcano" effect that "Lanny" mentioned in post #14. So, I'm GUESSING that the "volcano holes" came on the scene for the Ford Motor Co in '42, which I believe to be 4-1/2" wide. Coop

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alchemy 04-10-2022 07:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN (Post 2120125)
alchemy ....Do you actually have a 4-INCH wheel with drop center square in front, and tapered in rear? I have never seen a 16" (4" wide) Ford wheel like that. Coop

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Yes, I do. About half and half of the 4" Wheels I have.

If anyone wants to trade me some 5" wide wheels for some of these tapered 4"ers I'd be up for it.

alchemy 04-10-2022 08:22 PM

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Here's what I've got.

V8COOPMAN 04-11-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alchemy (Post 2120246)
Yes, I do. About half and half of the 4" Wheels I have.

If anyone wants to trade me some 5" wide wheels for some of these tapered 4"ers I'd be up for it.


alchemy....I can't imagine anyone wanting to trade for your 4" wide wheels, as the 5-inchers are RARE, RARE!


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...0&d=1649640062

And most folks looking for something other than the 'everyday' '40-'48 Ford sixteeens is looking specifically for 16" 5 X 5-1/2 with the "INSIDE nubbies" for the hub caps, with WIDER hoop!

Now you've got me wondering whether YOUR pictured 4" wheels might be '42-ONLY? I mean they have the "UN-volcano" lug holes and still 4" like '40 & '41, yet with the NEW tapered rear side of the drop center.

Another theory that I have is that the wheels with "UN-volcano" holes (earlier wheels) are Kelsey-Hayes wheels, and that the later 4-1/2" wide "VOLCANO" wheels are Ford produced, as all of those that I have seen have the Ford oval with script stamped between two of the lug holes, as below. Coop


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...2&d=1649706563


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alchemy 04-11-2022 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN (Post 2120457)
alchemy....I can't imagine anyone wanting to trade for your 4" wide wheels, as the 5-inchers are RARE, RARE!

And most folks looking for something other than the 'everyday' '40-'48 Ford sixteeens is looking specifically for 16" 5 X 5-1/2 with the "INSIDE nubbies" for the hub caps, with WIDER hoop.


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Oh I know, but you can't blame a guy for trying.

As for the 4"ers with the taper, I actually like them better than the square center wheels because mounting a tire is WAY easier.

rustythumb 04-11-2022 06:12 PM

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years ago, i bought a n.o.s. '40-'41 wheel (16"x4") with tapered drop center from joe mac (of ford obsolete). he told me it was a replacement sold over the ford parts counter after ww2. could be,huh?

V8COOPMAN 04-11-2022 08:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rustythumb (Post 2120501)
years ago, i bought a n.o.s. '40-'41 wheel (16"x4") with tapered drop center from joe mac (of ford obsolete). he told me it was a replacement sold over the ford parts counter after ww2. could be,huh?


Something like that is entirely possible, as over-the-counter parts many times have similar features to later production features, if said part will fit & function properly and safely. But as many of these oddballs as "alchemy" has, there almost has to be more to the story. Coop

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