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I recieved my new filter today and all looked good until I checked why the filter was a lil off to the side. Here's what it looks like all together.

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And here's the issue.

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I'm thinking instead of calling and going thru the hassle of getting another ill just fix this one and make both sides more secure. I'm thinking drilling and riveting them together.

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:cool:A: send it back. B:solder or tig weld. C: pop rivit. D: Lock-tite five minute epoxy (faster than JB weld. Options.....Dude you have options. P.S. consider ditching the paper filter and go with K&N filter.

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You may want to read the posts on this thread. My concern is the filter rated at high enough cfm for the Model A engine and are you getting a good seal to the filter housing!

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142421

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Who was your supplier? Questioning minds need to know.

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Hi Barber,

1. Without this filter, crank your Model A engine with your choke plate closed to see if you witness a little gasoline dripping from the intake of the carburetor.

2. Reach in your gas tank & get a little of this exact same fuel & pour a little on only one side, (the horizontal bottom side), of your new filter.

3. With a lit match attached & taped to a 12 foot long wire, place the match next to the very small amount of gasoline on the filter.

4. If the filter does "not" catch on fire .......... put it on your Model A & don't worry about any possible future fire hazards in your engine compartment.

5. In my opinion, it is never wise to follow everything what one reads about Model A's, what actually counts is actual "live" physical experimentation.

Hope this helps you to decide what to do in Step #2.

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I have a better idea: send it back and don't use an air filter.

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I second the K&N air filter; All in favor? Opposed?

Chet

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I would go along with this idea. I did do this very thing when I purchased one a few years back.

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Send it back and get a high boy with K &N filterhttp://fordbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif . Major suppliers stock it.

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Remember - not one of these Model "A"'s rolled off the assembly line with an air filter - all 4,320,000 plus of them ran on those old dirt and mud packed roads without an air filter. It was not a matter of cost - all of those Model "A" Fords had a set of 4 very nice and expensive (for the time) shock absorbers.

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Installing an air filter on a Model A accomplishes the same thing as when a person stops smoking. Many years are added and quality of life is greatly improved. I don't understand the resistance to an air filter on a Model A. If you ran a Model A without an air filter in the town in which I was raised you would change an engine a month maybe more depending on if you drove home from work for lunch and back.

Chet

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There you go. They work well

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One concern keeps coming up about former experiences with former "small" Model A air filters which in the past reduced air flow -- these past sincere concerns definitely have lots of merit.

K & N in their on-line literature correctly describes something I learned about hydraulics over 46 years ago.

As crazy as it may appear to some, air filters & devices on the suction end of a round pipe, (such as a Model A carburetor), can "increase" air flow & even increase water flow in water "if":

1. The device has the proper & sufficient "open" areas for air and/or water to flow; &,

2. If the device can assist in retarding turbulence & cavitation of air and/or water in something like the end of a round suction pipe.

FWIW: Opinions:

Just because John Doe is afraid to open an umbrella in a house ...... what the heck ..... buy him a beer ....... he may be the best friend you may ever have.

Then do not be surprised if you later open your umbrella in your house & your air-conditioner immediately breaks ....... sh## can "still" happen whether you open your umbrella ..... or after you install a Model A air filter.

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H.L. very good info, but the stock carb was not made to use an air filter (jetting or air flow ) the real scare is those updrafts are prone to leaking fuel .load that paper filter up with gas (even the K&N ) you all know the rest of the story.

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Hi Machine Girl,

Agree 100%.

I never even tried installing a paper filter down below a Model A or Model B carburetor -- just me -- but some may have different opinions which I respect.

The filter I presently have up high on my Model A is described in reply no 27 further down under the question in message title:

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Some probably would not like this one either.

I have learned long ago to never worry too much about if the millions of Chinese in China are presently eating Cheerios for breakfast or not; & really, I learned to never try to change all of their minds & to try to force them to eat Corn Flakes ........ with or without strawberries.

Hope this helps with opinions.

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On a high boy ,the k & n filter is above the throat of the carburator. Wonder why Henry put oil bath air filters on 32 model.

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Hi Duffy 1,

During the early days with miles & miles of many dust laden dirt roads & gravel roads, oil bath air filters were found to greatly reduce engine wear when compared to absolutely no engine air filters in vehicles that were used as "daily" drivers.

Later, as time progressed, oiled gravel roads & paved streets & highways greatly reduced amounts of dust & sand entering engines in "daily" driver engines..

Even later, with "daily" driver engines, modern pleated air filters extended engine life lots more along with more & more paved highways & streets.

If anyone is really interested to learn more specific filter details & filter test results, there are lots of interesting scientific information written on internal combustion engine air consumption with & without filters.

Will this scientific information change anybody's mind on air filters ........... I personally would never gamble & bet or risk losing even a seven (7) times used oil pan gasket on a Model A air filter use subject.

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I purchased the filter from Snyders. This is the first time I have recieved a part that was damaged or faulty from any of the vendors. I've always been satisfied with all my purchases, and I've tried quite a few places. Thanks for all the replies. I am planning on upgrading to a K&N also. I know most say they don't need filters but I just can't see how not running a filter will not cause problems down the road. So much dirt and crud accumulates in every nook and cranny in the engine compartment, I can only imagine how much is attracted when there's suction added to the equation.

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Well, I cook Cream of Wheat & Quaker Oatmeal in the same pot together, SO, how's this relate to air filters???--------Bill W.

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Hi Barber,

I often think sometimes of an air filter comparison between that of one on an engine on a highway .............. & that of one in an almost immaculate small office occupied by one employee, with one entrance door, no visitors, all business conducted with clients by phone, no children, no toys nor bikes, no food, no kitchen, where the one (1) employee walks 12 feet on concrete from his car to his office front door.

The single entrance door is opened only to enter & exit the office twice a day & the windows stay shut.

And then the employee vacuum cleans his office floor periodically.

After one month, we check his office's air-condition filter ..... wow !!!!

We just cannot imagine why this filter looks like an A/C filter that was used as a flag, strapped to a flag staff, & secured to the back of Lawrence of Arabia's camel while he was crossing the Sahara Dessert for thirty days while traveling through a blinding 70 mph sand storm.

I cannot figure it out either -- don't feel surprised -- I think our Model A loves us all with or without an air filter.

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Hi Bill,

So glad to hear from you.

I was really talking about China -- appears difficult to eat Cheerios ........ or even Cream of Wheat & Oat Meal cooked in the same pot with chop sticks.

We better consult Buster-T on this most complex issue -- hope he is doing OK & still reading the newspaper.

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My opinion on air filters is, with out one its like using sand paper in your cylinder. Just giving you something to think about. Like I said ,just my opinion.

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Here's what I ended up doing to remedy the broken tab. Couldn't find my rivet gun so had to use what I had.
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A lot of air filters were sold FOR the original model a. Just because they left the factory without them only means that the dealer got to make a few cents on the sale of a good idea... an air filter!

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I would strongly recommend getting the Hi Boy. You do not want the filter below the carb because of fuel that will saturate the filter. You will create a fire hazard. Now that you have the bottom bracket and the top cap you can order a K&N. Just use the Hi Boy fitting to the carb and put the bottom bracket on with a small piece of radiator hose.

Running an air filter will not restrict the air flow and richen the mixture provided it is the proper size to flow the CFM demanded by the engine. I used the long K&N which also meant I had to use a longer center rod. Worked great. If the carb leaks and most do you won't have a disaster waiting to happen. Small price to pay to protect your vehicle.

My opinion.

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This is not directed at the poster but at the general problem of a leaking carburetor.

If the carburetor leaks it is a problem.

If the carburetor float valve does not seat, fix it.

If the gas shut off valve does not shut off fix it.

By not fixing the problem you are courting disaster.

I have seen the results of a fire in an engine compartment with a leaking carburetor and an air filter. The cause of the problem is not the air filter it is a leaking carburetor.

If you chose to not install an air cleaner on a leaking carburetor you are not fixing the underlying problem, if it leaks fix it.

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FWIW:

1. If your tank is rusty and/or dirty, or if you fill up with dirty gasoline; &,

2. If your tank has fine particles of iron rust and/or sand from any source; then

3. Iron & sand are harder than the brass shut off valve & they will eventually scratch the brass tapered device & will eventually cause the shut off valve to leak ....... some have an in-tank fuel tank filter which can greatly help to prevent shut-off valve failure.

4. Sometimes some deleterious fines get passed the "original" Model A fuel filters & can prevent a float valve from sealing off the gas flow -- hence, a carburetor leak occurs.

5. A Model A gravity fed fuel tanks sitting up high are similar to a vehicle with a lower fuel tank below the carburetor ....... but with the fuel pump running constantly.

6. Leaks or no leaks, with a High-boy air filter, it will always remain free of liquid gas.

7. Lots of good helpful information in above replies -- each to his own -- sometimes Model A fires can be prevented.

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barber 31
make sure those nuts don't come loose from your rig and get pulled into the engine.
that would really suck
at least bugger up the bolt threads or such as a back up and or a tack weld and or lock nuts
thats why they are originally tacked with no bolts

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Where did you order the K&N filter and what was the Number of the filter?

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Thanks guys. I will look at the hi-boy filters.
I don't remember my carb leaking much. Only when I was having ignition issues and I couldn't get it to fire. But other than that I know she doesn't drip gas regularly. I'll keep an eye on the filter to see if its getting wet while I'm out shopping for the hiBoy.
H.L. Chauvin - I had my tank boiled and coated on the inside so I should be good with no debris floating around. But since I was there I still put in one of the filters above the shut off valve.
Mitch- I did put lock washers on there. It's kinda hard to tell in the pic. I think I'm gonna go back and put some loctite also. I pictures that too, sucking up the nuts and just hearing all the rattling. Not good. Haha

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If I remember I got it on line at Auto Zone. The K&N part number is E-2040 and is 6.625 inches long. They make two progressively shorter units is you have a clearance problem. Mine just fits under the Gas bowl. I wanted the overkill.

I am new to the A and have rebuilt and bought a rebuilt carb from a reputable source recommended on this site. I had to send it back because of leaking. The tank is clean and I have a filter in the bowl and one in line so I know it is not particles in the fuel. The one that I rebuilt so far works the best and does not leak after setting the float just aft of parallel to the carb top. I also used the Viton valve which I had to go through two of them before I got one good one. I finally rebuilt a Tilitson and even had to work to keep it from leaking. Any more leaking and I am going to put an XR-1 blower on the darn thing. Well maybe not a good idea. The blower is larger than the engine.

I am not comfortable putting the filter below the carb because of it's inherent design.

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FWIW ; The float valve is designed as a control valve not a 100% shut off valve.

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If it won't shut off 100% then the carb will leak even with the valve off. I would assume it would drain some fuel from the line because of the atmospheric vent on the bowl of the carb because the fuel in the line is above the bowl. Correct? Does the valve need to be shut down every time the car is parked? Is that what everyone does?

Without a filter and with most of the parking lots gravel and dirt years ago it probably did not pose a problem.

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I close the fuel shut off in line valve when I stop . The only problem with this is sometimes ( mostly when I am in a hurry and my wife is late ) I forget to open it . Know a lot of folks who install an electric shut off valve to circumvent this problem . I may install one if my memory gets worse.

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Since I polished my gas valve and original carb needle and seat with toothpaste, they have both been holding perfectly. I turn the valve off if I'm going to be stopped for more than a few minutes.

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Machine Girl, I know this is getting a bit off subject but your comment about these carbys leaking fuel is VERY relevant here in Australia where we sit on the right side of the car (correct side too he he). That puts the light switch directly under the leaky carby and a spark from the switch has started many many fires. American cars in the period, I'm told had a reputation for burning for that reason. Poor design if they intended selling them in RHD countries. In fact, I lost two cars and my workshop that way a few years ago thanks to a 1929 Chrysler. That said, in other respects, American cars were ideally suited to driving conditions here. Nothing condescending or insulting intended.