Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-05-2012, 10:20 AM   #1
mstover
Member
 
mstover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Dayton
Posts: 43
Default Removing rear brake drum

OK, I'm stumped again. I'm trying to remove the rear brake drum to begin my first inspection/repair of my 1930 coupe's brakes, which are virtually nonexistent. I've removed the axle nut and washer only I don't see a fiber seal as described in Les Andrew's book. I've tried a hub puller on the drum and it doesn't budge. Could there be a snap ring holding it in place? It appears there might be but the book doesn't mention this.

Any help you can give is well appreciated!
Mike
__________________
Michael E. Stover, CPA/ABV
Living Life in the Slow Lane
2004 Beneteau 331, 1930 Ford Model A 45-B Coupe
www.sailtherapy.weebly.com
mstover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 10:33 AM   #2
pat in Santa Cruz
Senior Member
 
pat in Santa Cruz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: santa cruz, calif
Posts: 1,893
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

a missing fiber seal is not uncommon. When you use the puller, are you sure the E brake is released? The puller needs to be tightened quite tight and holding the drum requires engaging the E brake. Then the drum needs to be released from the brake. Then strike the end of the puller squarely with a heavy hammer. I f its still stuck, try some penetrating oil down the key slot, and try it again with a touch more torque on the puller screw. Worst cases can often be remedied by installing the axle nut loosely against the hub to hold it on but allow it to move, re installing the wheel and driving the car around the block, then try pulling the drum again.
pat in Santa Cruz is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 08-05-2012, 10:39 AM   #3
Dana Barlow
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Miami Fl.
Posts: 107
Thumbs up Re: Removing rear brake drum

After all above is done and if it's still stuck,with puller on and loaded,hit the side of hub nose hard with BFH=this well vib the nose and reless the tappered stuck hub from axle.

BFH=big fuing Hammer
Dana Barlow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 11:07 AM   #4
mstover
Member
 
mstover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Dayton
Posts: 43
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

I released the emergency brake (which makes sense) and hit the end of the hub puller with the BFH and it still doesn't budge. Maybe I'll pick a different wheel and see what happens.
__________________
Michael E. Stover, CPA/ABV
Living Life in the Slow Lane
2004 Beneteau 331, 1930 Ford Model A 45-B Coupe
www.sailtherapy.weebly.com
mstover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 11:28 AM   #5
tuneman
Senior Member
 
tuneman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 242
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

You need to adj the brakes looser, buy turning the brake adj on the backing plate. It should turn counter clock wise to loosen count the clicks to get them back later.
tuneman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 11:47 AM   #6
Patrick L.
Senior Member
 
Patrick L.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Geneva NY
Posts: 2,720
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

It sounds like you have a stubborn one.. All the above is good advice.. A couple more options.. You could try jacking up that wheel, leaving the axle nut loose, install wheel loose, put it 3rd left the clutch out and get some wheel speed up and slam the brakes.. If it doesn't come loose after a couple tries then its time to punt.. Many don't like this next one,, but,, I turn the nut around and install it flush with the axle,, give it a whack.. If that doesn't do it,, then its time for a hub [not wheel stud] puller and some serious heat..
Patrick L. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 11:51 AM   #7
Roadster62
Senior Member
 
Roadster62's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ridgefield, Ct
Posts: 2,951
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

CAUTION!!!!!!!!!!!! A hub puller can POP the drum and puller off at any time. If left with a lot of pressure they have been known to explode off the axle with enough force to break things. Don't have anything in its path. Bob
__________________
They don't have to run to be enjoyed. I'm here to enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the cars no matter what they look like. Most of the worlds problems are electrical.
Roadster62 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 12:33 PM   #8
Charlie Stephens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,879
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

Either buy (Winfield Tool Works, (631 928-3316) or borrow/rent a KR Wilson puller from a local club (Model A or early V8, they used the same puller). The puller is expensive but cheaper than a new axle.

Charlie Stephens
Charlie Stephens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 01:04 PM   #9
fordfixer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Crete, Illinois
Posts: 241
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

If you have some time, just leave your hub puller attached overnight. I have done this many times. Install the hub puller as tight as you can get it and just let it sit over night. Usually in the morning it will have popped loose. If need be, retighten the puller and then try the hammer again. So far, I have never failed to get one off or have I ever had to use heat of any kind to get one off. The fiber washer is stuck inside the end of the hub, around the end of the axle. You should be able to pick it out quite easely. And no, there is not any type of snap or lock ring.
fordfixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 01:46 PM   #10
J Franklin
Senior Member
 
J Franklin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: oregon
Posts: 1,512
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

knock off pullers or turning the nut around flush are old time and cheap ways of doing this job. It was used mostly when newer axles could be had for a song at most junk yards, use a good puller made for the job!
J Franklin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 01:53 PM   #11
Kurt in NJ
Senior Member
 
Kurt in NJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: on the Littlefield
Posts: 2,490
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

Jack up the wheel on the other side so the weight is off it---then hit the puller or knock off
Kurt in NJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 05:02 PM   #12
supergnat
Senior Member
 
supergnat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Palmyra, NJ
Posts: 314
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

I suggest you purchase the puller below which matchey your hub style (CHECK THE DIAGRAM IN THE CATALOG) . I had a stubborn one ant this tool did the trickjfor me. I took the info below from the Bratton's catalog. Good luck.
Supergnat

REAR WHEEL HUB PULLERFor Year(s): 28-31

Opening at base of puller hooks into the ring on the hub. One inch bolt at end of puller must be tighten down aginst axle end to loosen hub from axle. Made from strong ductile iron. A copy of an early after market puller.
Part #06150 REAR WHEEL HUB PULLER $ 31.00 REAR WHEEL HUB PULLERFor Year(s): 28-31

Opening at base of puller hooks into the groove on the hub. One inch bolt at end of puller must be tighten down aginst axle end to loosen hub from axle. Made from strong ductile iron. A copy of an early after market puller.
Part #06160 REAR WHEEL HUB PULLER $ 31.00
supergnat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 12:46 AM   #13
columbiA
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 1,745
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

I use a K O puller made witha nut with a short piece of steel welded on the end.Tighten puller after everyhit with a 4# hammer & with opposite wheel off the ground,it should pop loose.
columbiA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 01:27 AM   #14
CarlG
Senior Member
 
CarlG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
Posts: 4,300
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

I have one of the hub pullers made by Mitchel Mfg. It works great and is designed to work on either style hub, but like all of the posts above said, it takes putting the pressure of the puller plus the blows with the sledge hammer to get it to release.
CarlG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 04:25 PM   #15
Four Lazy C Boss
Member
 
Four Lazy C Boss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Montana
Posts: 32
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens View Post
Either buy (Winfield Tool Works, (631 928-3316) or borrow/rent a KR Wilson puller from a local club (Model A or early V8, they used the same puller). The puller is expensive but cheaper than a new axle.

Charlie Stephens
I'm having the same problem. I've got a tough one and am using one of the cheap (half-shell) pullers. I stopped because I was afraid it was going to damage the end of the axle with all the force I was putting on it. I am wondering if the KR Wilson puller is the answer. It has some features that seem much better. It sounds like you can pull any drum with it. Is that the answer for all of us?
__________________
My Motto: IF IT AIN'T BROKE.......FIX IT 'TIL IT IS.

FOUR LAZY C BOSS

Four Lazy C Boss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 05:35 PM   #16
Patrick L.
Senior Member
 
Patrick L.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Geneva NY
Posts: 2,720
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

Make sure everything is backed off. Keep putting pressure on the puller, whack the end with a big-ass hammer. If it does work, try again and again with heat, serious heat. Still doesn't work, Back the axle nut off 1/2 turn, drive around for awhile or year or so. Sometimes just jacking up that wheel with the nut backed off the 1/2 turn and driving the car on the jack while really slamming the brake will work.
Patrick L. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 06:36 PM   #17
Rowdy
Senior Member
 
Rowdy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80
Posts: 3,823
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

I have had to put a 4' cheater on my breaker bar to get the rear drums off afew I have done. Rod
__________________
Looking for rear door and floor wood to use as patterns for a 1929 130-A Deluxe Delivery...
Rowdy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2013, 10:04 AM   #18
Four Lazy C Boss
Member
 
Four Lazy C Boss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Montana
Posts: 32
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick L. View Post
Make sure everything is backed off. Keep putting pressure on the puller, whack the end with a big-ass hammer. If it does work, try again and again with heat, serious heat. Still doesn't work, Back the axle nut off 1/2 turn, drive around for awhile or year or so. Sometimes just jacking up that wheel with the nut backed off the 1/2 turn and driving the car on the jack while really slamming the brake will work.
I'm not sure I could make myself whack the end with a hammer. What does this do to the pinion gear at the other end in the differential? You are not the only one who gave this advice, but it doesn't sound good to me.

I may have to bite the bullet and get a first-class puller - The K R Wilson. From what I read it will get the toughest ones off without risking damage. Have any of you guys used it? Do you still have to whack it? I would like to avoid the whacking if possible.
__________________
My Motto: IF IT AIN'T BROKE.......FIX IT 'TIL IT IS.

FOUR LAZY C BOSS

Four Lazy C Boss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2013, 10:11 AM   #19
1931 flamingo
Senior Member
 
1931 flamingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: new britain,ct 06052
Posts: 5,606
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

HIT IT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>People have been removing stubborn ones like this for 80+ years. JMO
Paul in CT
1931 flamingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2013, 10:51 AM   #20
Patrick L.
Senior Member
 
Patrick L.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Geneva NY
Posts: 2,720
Default Re: Removing rear brake drum

Even if you get a 'good' puller, which is a good idea, a big 'whack' is in order. If it'll come loose without the whack, good, but, then it wasn't on that tight.
Patrick L. is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:56 PM.