The Ford Barn

ms fowler · 03-23-2022, 05:07 PM

opening for the '38 pickup. It appears to be nailed (?) to the cab.
Is it the last residue of a tack strip? Looks to be a 1/2" to 3/4" wide.
Is there an easy way to pull the nails?

edhd58 · 03-23-2022, 07:20 PM

Wind Lace I think is what they call it

V8COOPMAN · 03-24-2022, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by edhd58

Wind Lace I think is what they call it

That's pretty darned close, but it is actually called "Windlace", pronounced like "wind-lis". DD

ms fowler · 03-24-2022, 06:06 AM

Thanks.

and it just get tacked to the metal of the cab?

aussie merc · 03-24-2022, 07:52 AM

early form of door seal take them off and you cant hear yourself think old tec for an old problem

ms fowler · 03-24-2022, 11:30 AM

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There must be an easier way to pull out those screws. I bet I averaged 2 minutes each. The windlace was glued and nail? I least this one was glued.

rotorwrench · 03-24-2022, 11:34 AM

Many of the cars of the 40s & 50s used the sheet metal tacks to hold things on from windlace to rubber seals. I use a tool that was designed to cut wire but cuts it straight with the tip of the wire instead of on the side of the wire like normal wire cutters. I use this tool to pull bolts and some types of tacks. Upholsterer's also use several designs of prying tools to pull tacks & staples.
Here is some pullers:
https://www.amazon.com/QXUJI-Upholst...548550335&th=1

https://mprtools.com/products/channe...ade-in-the-usa

The above is a longer version of what I normally use as far as an end cutter tool. The short one I use came from either Mack tools ot Matco tools but it was purchased over 30 years ago.

Kube · 03-25-2022, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ms fowler

There must be an easier way to pull out those screws. I bet I averaged 2 minutes each. The windlace was glued and nail? I least this one was glued.

Sheet metal drive nails were not truly designed to be removed. If I can't pull them out without too much trouble, I tend to grind the heads off and punch the remaining body through.
To install the new windlace, I use glue.
Picture attached is a '40 I'd restored but quite similar to your vehicle in regard to the lace.

rotorwrench · 03-25-2022, 10:00 AM

Windlace with special color or pattern that is not available can be fabricated by someone with the right materials and a good sewing machine. There is at least one person that has her own loom and can weave the strips of cloth that surround the rubber tube. This is when folks want things exactly like they came from Ford. The older model Fords have some pretty unique patterns and colors that are no longer supplied by normal sources.

For the driver car, just find something close and live with it.

Kube has a point about the sheet metal tacks. Some have spiral fluting or other serrations to help hold them in. When they get rusty then that doesn't help either. Some folks have substituted pop rivets or screws to replace them with but it depends on visibility and application as to whether that will work or not. Glue will work for a fairly long time depending on environmental conditions and such but will deteriorate with time and use. Ford used tacks because they held well and where quick to install. They never figured on someone replacing them.

ms fowler · 03-25-2022, 07:21 PM

Absolutely on those spiral grooves. I called them screws, but they are not--no drive slot in the head, so they are nails. Did they have a pneumatic tool for driving them in? I eventually got most out. There are a couple that I can't get to because the seat base is in the way. Combine those spiral grooves and even a little rust and they do not want to come out. They must have installed the windlacing and pressed board panels before welding in the seat base. Certainly more room in the can without the seat base in the way.

03-23-2022, 05:07 PM	#1
ms fowler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 144	What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door opening for the '38 pickup. It appears to be nailed (?) to the cab. Is it the last residue of a tack strip? Looks to be a 1/2" to 3/4" wide. Is there an easy way to pull the nails?

03-23-2022, 07:20 PM	#2
edhd58 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Guston,ky Posts: 653	Re: What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door Wind Lace I think is what they call it

03-24-2022, 06:06 AM	#4
ms fowler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 144	Re: What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door Thanks. and it just get tacked to the metal of the cab?

03-24-2022, 07:52 AM	#5
aussie merc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: sydney australia Posts: 1,042	Re: What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door early form of door seal take them off and you cant hear yourself think old tec for an old problem

03-24-2022, 11:30 AM	#6
ms fowler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 144	Re: What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) There must be an easier way to pull out those screws. I bet I averaged 2 minutes each. The windlace was glued and nail? I least this one was glued.

03-24-2022, 11:34 AM	#7
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,515	Re: What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door Many of the cars of the 40s & 50s used the sheet metal tacks to hold things on from windlace to rubber seals. I use a tool that was designed to cut wire but cuts it straight with the tip of the wire instead of on the side of the wire like normal wire cutters. I use this tool to pull bolts and some types of tacks. Upholsterer's also use several designs of prying tools to pull tacks & staples. Here is some pullers: https://www.amazon.com/QXUJI-Upholst...548550335&th=1 https://mprtools.com/products/channe...ade-in-the-usa The above is a longer version of what I normally use as far as an end cutter tool. The short one I use came from either Mack tools ot Matco tools but it was purchased over 30 years ago.

03-25-2022, 10:00 AM	#9
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,515	Re: What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door Windlace with special color or pattern that is not available can be fabricated by someone with the right materials and a good sewing machine. There is at least one person that has her own loom and can weave the strips of cloth that surround the rubber tube. This is when folks want things exactly like they came from Ford. The older model Fords have some pretty unique patterns and colors that are no longer supplied by normal sources. For the driver car, just find something close and live with it. Kube has a point about the sheet metal tacks. Some have spiral fluting or other serrations to help hold them in. When they get rusty then that doesn't help either. Some folks have substituted pop rivets or screws to replace them with but it depends on visibility and application as to whether that will work or not. Glue will work for a fairly long time depending on environmental conditions and such but will deteriorate with time and use. Ford used tacks because they held well and where quick to install. They never figured on someone replacing them. Last edited by rotorwrench; 03-25-2022 at 10:09 AM.

03-25-2022, 07:21 PM	#10
ms fowler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 144	Re: What is the fuzzy cloth-like strip around the door Absolutely on those spiral grooves. I called them screws, but they are not--no drive slot in the head, so they are nails. Did they have a pneumatic tool for driving them in? I eventually got most out. There are a couple that I can't get to because the seat base is in the way. Combine those spiral grooves and even a little rust and they do not want to come out. They must have installed the windlacing and pressed board panels before welding in the seat base. Certainly more room in the can without the seat base in the way.