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Old 02-22-2011, 09:24 AM   #1
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Help, help!
The stupid Secretary of State "has a problem" with my title. I bought car from a guy in Texas and the car has a Texas title which I surrendered in order to get my Illinois title. Now there is a "problem"

Can anyone tell me where the VIN is located on a 28 A ?
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:35 AM   #2
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You raise a question that has been asked time and time again...

There could be many senario's as to just where the "VIN" is located.

First we know nothing about the vehicle you have.

In the begining, Ford stamped the left side of the engine with a engine number on the engine number pad. Then, when the engine was dropped into a chassis at the assembly line, that number was then put on the top of the left side frame member in the vicinity of the cowl...you must raise the body off of the frame to read it...sometimes it is there, sometimes it is not due to the 80 plus years of service if you have an original, assembled vehicle.

NOW...if you do not, then there is another can of worms to open...

If the car you have was peiced together, then the numbers could be in the same spot or they could have been stamped elsewhere...or not!

Lots of senarios...ask the previous owner if he had the numbers stamped other than the above.

I am sure others will chime in on this delima!

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Old 02-22-2011, 10:11 AM   #3
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Texas used to be pretty lax on checking the VIN numbers. After 1985 or so, they started requiring a VIN check on any vehicles coming into the state from other states. If the VIN is not on the engine, they require a pencil rubbing of the number from the frame.

I purchased a 1929 Sport Coupe here in Texas back in 1990 that had originally come from Tennesee back in the late 1970s. Since the car was already titled in Texas, it wasn't required to check the VIN so I had no problems transfering the title. After I got to looking at it while performing some minor repairs to the engine, I found that the number on the engine was completely missing. I don't know if it was a replacement engine or not but the number pad on the left side above the water inlet was rusty and blank. It always made me wonder how the guy I purchased it from got it registered in Texas after coming from Tennesse. I could tell he never took the body off the frame. He either had a pencil rubbing that I don't know about or they just plain didn't check it when he transfered the title back in the 70s.

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Old 02-22-2011, 10:26 AM   #4
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You might try doing a search on this forum and the EV8 forum as the problem in Illinois was discussed extensively. They are being very picky, even going after previously registered (in Illinois) vehicles. Not pretty.
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Old 02-22-2011, 11:09 AM   #5
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Illinois recognizes only the frame number on Model A's. You will have to raise the body, find and clean off the number, then have a rep from the state police witness it and sign off.

If the frame number does not match your title, you surrender the old title and apply for a new, bonded title. The bonded title will require you to post a cash bond 1.5X the SOS's estimated value, which is usually sky high and independent of any paperwork you have showing a lower value.

If your frame number matches the title, you may still be required to carry a bonded title, depends on which way the wind is blowing in Springfield.

After three years of no claim against the VIN, you apply for a standard Illinois title. Theoretically you can apply for refund of the bond "Pursuant to available bond pool reserve" and minus fund management fees, of course.

NEVER (ever, ever, ever!!) disclose to anyone the VIN on your bonded title. Claims against your title will materialize out of the woodwork.
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Old 02-22-2011, 02:52 PM   #6
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I live just a few miles north of you at Rt. 59 and 83rd street. I would be happy to make a "House call" (free of course) to help. The State of Illinois has been a real pain and I have recent experience in getting an out of state car registered. I am retired and available (almost) any time. Gar Williams 630-904-8416 Aerocraft@AOL.com
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:12 PM   #7
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Illinois sucks on older car titling!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:35 PM   #8
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Holeinthehead,
What was said that brought the problem of the VIN# up?
Did you tell them that you did not know the VIN # of the car because it was an antique?
was the Vin# on the Texas title? if so why would they not use that VIN#?
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:08 PM   #9
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The DMV in Illinois has recently decided that any out of state car manufactured before 1941, being brought into Illinois for registration and title, is required to have the VIN verified. The verification, in the case of a Model A, requires the removal of the body to gain access to the number stamped on the frame. The Illinois DMV is smart enough to know where the numbers are stamped on the Model A. There is now a procedure that new Model A owners (of out of state cars) in Illinois must follow. The worst part is the body removal. A friend near me has just gone through the process and indicated it is not as scary as some people are reporting. Gar Williams
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