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Old 11-12-2017, 08:52 PM   #1
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It seems that sales of the two-door station wagons started falling in the early sixties and they were soon dropped from the line. I believe that 1963 was the last year of the two-door Mercury Comet like this one. What two-door wagons do Ford Barners have?
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Old 11-12-2017, 11:42 PM   #2
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My Dad came home with a 56 RanchWagon. My brother and I wore him out getting in and out of the car. He said when he gets rid of this one he would never buy another 2 door car. Harley
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Well, I have a '55 Courier sedan delivery wagon, but they did offer 2-door passenger wagons around that time also.
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Squeeking in under the Ford namesake is my 58 Edsel Roundup.

And in the Mercury dept is my 57 Mercury Commuter with the original M 335 engine

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Thanks OldMic for posting pictures of your beauty. Here they are enlarged for easier viewing.
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This picture of a 1957 Mercury Commuter Two-Door Hardtop Station Wagon was taken on the Gold Coast during the sixties by a friend of mine. It had been converted to Right Hand Drive. Because the owner resided near the coast, the salt in the air made its destructive way and it suffered by much rust and was eventually sold. Unfortunately, the new buyer thought that it was too big a task to restore so cut it up and dumped it. This is probably the only 1957 Mercury Commuter that made it's way to Australia. It is just a pity that it no longer exists.
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Dave, Thanks for posting this picture of your 1955 Ford Courier. It may not be a wagon, but is still very nice, so here is an enlarged picture for Barners to enjoy.
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Here's my new project I just started. 1960 Ford Courier. Going to lower it all around and it will have a 302/C4 to move it down the road.
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There is an Edsel guy who took a 1960 Ford 2-door wagon and made it into a "What If" 1960 Edsel 2- door wagon.

It looks factory and was done to incredable standards. I"ll see if I can find a picture of it online somewhere.

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Lowrider, DANG I love that wagon! Great lines!! Looking forward to seeing THAT finished!!
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Here's my new project I just started. 1960 Ford Courier. Going to lower it all around and it will have a 302/C4 to move it down the road.

Learn something new everyday. I always thought all Couriers had no side windows behind the drivers door. Did they make them both ways in 1960 ? With and without windows ?

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Here is a copy of an Advertisement for the 1960 Ford Courier. You can see that for this year, they included windows.
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Here is a larger picture of Lowriders 1960 Ford Courier. All 1960 Ford Couriers had side windows like this one. This was the last year for the full size Ford Courier. For 1961, this body style was transferred to the compact Ford Falcon.
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I have to comment again on the beauty of that wagon! That rear glass in association with the curve of the roof line, well a scrubby with "similar" "custome" rear glass and roof won a bunch of awards for "out of the box" thinking and exicution. And here Ford 45 or so years earlier designed a roof line to rival the most "extreme" customs of today!! JMHO
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Here is a shot of Dave Hottin"s Edsel "what if" wagon built from the 1960 Ford Courier.

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That is a great looking Wagon. He did a good job converting a 1960 Ford into this 1960 Edsel.
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My Dad bought a new Pinto Cruising wagon, think it was a 78. Must have been close to the last 2 door wagons. All the Pintos were 2 doors.
Not his but same color and stripe.
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There is a local guy that has one of these.

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Not his but same color and stripe.
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I agree on the quality of the conversion. Very nice indeed. But even he didn't change that roof line. I am a wagon fan though I have only owned one. A 60 Merc 9 passenger, (back seat faced rear-ward) I was 17 and cannot recall the model. Had a 430 Lincoln engine. Wasn't to quick out o th hole, but boy howdy she'd fly on the interstate!
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Kustom Komet from Arizona sent me these pictures of his 1960 Mercury Comet Two-Door Station Wagon. It has 289/C4, 8 inch '63 Falcon rear end, '65 V8 steering, Granada disc brakes.
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I like the comet. nice car
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This picture of a 1957 Mercury Commuter Two-Door Hardtop Station Wagon was taken on the Gold Coast during the sixties by a friend of mine. It had been converted to Right Hand Drive. Because the owner resided near the coast, the salt in the air made its destructive way and it suffered by much rust and was eventually sold. Unfortunately, the new buyer thought that it was too big a task to restore so cut it up and dumped it. This is probably the only 1957 Mercury Commuter that made it's way to Australia. It is just a pity that it no longer exists.

Interesting that this '57 Commuter has the Turnpike Cruiser four headlight set up. Was that an option, or installed after the fact ? Anybody know ?

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As I understand the headlite situation is that there were 5 states in 1957 where the quad headlites were not allowed.

As I have seen most of the 57 Mercs were built with the quad headlite setup although I have never seen a spec of quad verses dual build numbers.

Its the single headlamp per fender vehicles that are the minority.

Personally I think the single headlite fenders are a lot cleaner and helps to create a more aggressive looking machine.

The 57 Fords were also originally slated to be a quad headlite arrangement.

Finally in 1958 all of the states allowed the quad lamp setup.

What blows me away is the right hand drive setup. I cant imagine how complex that must have been to pull off.

The Merc automatic used a push button/lever engagement arrangement that was mounted to the left side on the dash (on a left hand drive vehicle).

If it was a stick car it would have been odd to drive.

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How about this neat 1961 Falcon Two-Door Station Wagon. It seems to have 14" wheels judging by the 62 (rear) and 63 (front) Galaxie Wheelcovers?
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The M 335 engine was Mercurys 1957 NASCAR race engine contribution.

Follow the link below to read about the Mercury race team headed by Bill Stroppe who developed the M 335 .


http://ford-mel-engine.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=1286

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Hemmings recently did a story on the 1957 Mercury Monterey M-335. Read all about it on this link.

https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mu...5/3186171.html
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Interesting that this '57 Commuter has the Turnpike Cruiser four headlight set up. Was that an option, or installed after the fact ? Anybody know ?

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To add to Oldmics comments, the 57 MERC dual beam headlamps were optional and I believe standard on the TPC. I have the documentation packed away.

True about some states not allowing dualing headlamps. My father bought a 58 CHEV and was not at first allowed in TN and we were visiting family in Abington, VA (directly at state line). They later allowed them.
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The M 335 engine was Mercurys 1957 NASCAR race engine contribution.

Follow the link below to read about the Mercury race team headed by Bill Stroppe who developed the M 335 .

http://ford-mel-engine.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=1286

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Just a side-note-

The 1957 MERC was scheduled to receive the upcoming 410 MEL. Ford had foundry/casting problems and MERC then chose the LINC 368 for premium power (over the 312).

The 410 was finally released and went to the 58 EDSEL as they had an early release date. (The 361 FE also went to EDSEL making it the first FE issued on the 58 model run, not the 332/352).

BTW- Bill Stroppe also had much to do with the 56 MERC M260 and 58 MERC 430 3X2 SUPER MARAUDER.
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Kustom Komet from Arizona sent me these pictures of his 1960 Mercury Comet Two-Door Station Wagon.
SIDE-NOTE- The 1960 COMET was to be assigned to EDSEL DIVISION. EDSEL went down and the COMET was sold independently of a division assignment (60/61) (although through established LINC-MERC Dealers) until it was assigned to MERC DIVISION in the 1962 model run.

Dealer signage usually read LINC-MERC with COMET shown separate.
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Here is another rare two door beauty. This time it is a 1959 Ford Country Sedan. Any more two door wagons out there?
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Who custom made this 2 door '54 Mercury wagon ?

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Don't know, looks like a 54 ford with 54Merc. front sheetmetal, and 51 Merc. tail lights and part of the 51 Merc rear quarter panels , special wood treatment at the back corners. cant tell much more from one single small picture . looks good though.
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Here is a large picture of that 54 Mercury Two-Door Station Wagon. Whoever built it, did a fantastic job, as Mercury never built a Two-Door Wagon after the 1951 Mercury Woodys.
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My best guess, and the easiest way to do it would be to have converted a '54 Merc wagon into a two door. Hard to tell from the photo if it's a Ford or Merc dash board.
Maybe Tomjc will enlighten us with the story.

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Here is a picture of a survivor, a 1956 Ford Parklane. It was Ford's attempt to offer a wagon to try and compete with the Chevrolet Nomad.
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I was always a fan of the Parklane, had one once back in the late '60's, paid less than $900.00 for it. wish I had it now.
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How neat is this 1957 Ford Del Rio Ranch Wagon ?
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Looks pretty good with a '58 hood.
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Alaska Jim, We didn't get these true American 1957 and 1958 Fords in Australia, so I didn't pick that detail up. In their place, we got rehashed 1956 Fords.
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Alaska Jim, Seeing as you like 1956 Ford Parklanes, here is a picture of another one that I saw. This one has a modified grille and changes at the rear.
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The '56 and the '57's are great looking cars. I would take one of any model if one came along that I could afford. Thanks for the great pictures, and making me drool over them. lol.
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Here is a 1955 Ford Custom Ranch Wagon. This car is the promotional car for Cruzin Magazine, an Australian magazine devoted to street rods and customs. Australia never got these wagons, so this wagon would have been an import from New Zealand where they were sold new in Right Hand Drive.
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Here is another Custom Ranch Wagon that has found it's way to Australia. This one is a 1956 model. While the Licence Plate reads Ex US, it is probably another import from New Zealand. NZ got these 1955 and 1956 Custom Ranch Wagons while Ford Australia never offered an American Station Wagon until 1959.
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A few years back, I saw this imported LHD 1956 Ford two door wagon. Rear wheel openings have been enlarged.
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Top secret eh ? Fine with me.

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Sal, it must be secret, he has not offered any more info.
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Yes Jim, just assuming it was a '54 Mercury 4 door wagon originally.

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Love those '56 Olds headlight rims. Saw them on a '.57 T-Bird once, looked great there too.
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A couple of pictures of my '56 restomod ranch wagon.
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Your 1956 Custom Ranch Wagon looks good.
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Sal, I think it was a '52-'54 2 dr Ford wagon to start with. I would have been easier than converting a 4 dr. there is a project '52 conv. up here with Mer. front sheetmetal, and I know that there was a Merc dash to go with the build at one time. It used to belong to my brother, but he sold it before it he did any thing with it. He just had to many projects, and still has probably more than he needs, but he is like me and likes them all , and just can't help but taking another one in if an empty space shows up.
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You are probably right Jim. A lot easier to bolt the front clip on a Ford, than to do all the body work to convert to a two door. Still a lot of body work to modify the rear quarters with the Mercury sheet metal and taillights. For someone that said I didn't really care, I sure am curious.

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Sal, you are right about the rear quarter panels. I would also like some more info and pictures of this car. It must be top secret.
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Sal, I just checked his profile. He has only made 42 posts since 2012. He probably does not check in very often, or he just reads and does not post much. probably because of all the work he has done to the wagon does not let him have time to ck in.
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Sal, I decided to catch up on my reading of my rod magazines, and came a cross a small article on this "Mercury wagon". It is on page 116 of the November " Street rodder" Magazine. seems the car started out as a '54 Ford 2 Dr. Wagon. Has frenched headlamps, '51 Merc. rear quarter panels and tail lamps grafted to the ford quarters. 15" wheels w/ Mercury poverty hub caps,. Powered by a 292 Y- Block w/ big cam, Holley carb, aluminum intake, pertronix ignition, T85 o/d trans and 4:11 rear gears. Interior is from a '54 Merc. says more info at http://bit.ly/2eCNMyn I have not tried to view the address yet. there are a few pictures of the car in the magazine of the eng. compartment and one looking into the interior from the open tailgate
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I tried to get to that web address, but had no luck. however I did find this-- the hot rod site is a pain in the but . to many pop up ads to wait through but it does not take to long http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mercu...erc-fan-built/
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Well I tried the link I first posted and it worked when clicking on it, but it did not work when I typed it in my search eng. It takes you to the same Hot rod site that I posted in the second post link. sorry for the confusion. If you read the article, near the bottom of the page , it says click to view all 9 photos in the article.

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Thanks so much Jim. I'll check it out. Good job. Your a good investigator.

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In Post 24, I showed a 1961 Ford Falcon Two Door Wagon that I saw in the USA. Imagine my surprise when I attended a local Swap Meet in Australia and saw a near identical 1961 Ford Falcon Two Door Wagon, a recent import from the USA.
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Yes, I agree. Other than the galaxie full wheel covers on the other one, they appear identical.

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The car in post 24 doesn't have the roof rack & it's rub strips.

It's unusual that you came across two that are so similar, and they're still around.

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Here is another picture of the 1961 Ford Falcon Two Door Wagon in the USA. The Owner must have changed the 4 Stud 13" Wheels for 5 Stud 14" Wheels, otherwise the Galaxie Hubcaps would not have fitted. It is a pity that the front and rear hubcaps were not matching. The rears are 1962 Galaxie and the front 1963 Galaxie XL, judging from the Spinners. The same setup was on the other side. He could have put the matching Hubcaps on each side, which would have looked better. As has been mentioned, these are two different wagons. I had never seen one prior to seeing the one in the USA, then a few months later, I see a near identical one here, which is absolutely incredible.
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yeah, you just don't see them very often up here in Alaska. there used to be several here in Anchorage in the mid '70's but the owners never wanted to sell them, and they all seemed to have gone to the great scrap yard in the sky, as I have not seen one up here for at least 15 years now, maybe longer
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I had never seen one before this year when I spotted one in California, then spotted a second one a few months later after I returned back home. Unbelievable. we had Falcon Wagons in Australia, but they didn't receive the annual upgrades that the USA models received, and no two door model was ever offered. Also, our local Falcon Wagons were shorter that the USA Wagons. The extra overhang of the USA models was too much for our road systems.
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Here is another Ford 2 door wagon from my files. 1954 Ford Ranch Wagon in Australia, still wearing California Plates.
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I always wanted a 52-54 2dr wagon , never got one. guess I did not want it as bad as some others.
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BlacktopScraper, you didn't attach a picture?
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And in the Mercury dept is my 57 Mercury Commuter with the original M 335 engine

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Your concern of vanity is showing as you did not mention the MERC's were HDTPS...

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Merc built the ONLY 2-door hardtop wagons ever manufactured

All other hardtop wagons were 4 doors (moredoors as I like to refer to them)

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Here is a larger picture of Lowriders 1960 Ford Courier. All 1960 Ford Couriers had side windows like this one.

This was the last year for the full size Ford Courier. For 1961, this body style was transferred to the compact Ford Falcon.
Actually (and I am not trying to correct you here) there was a 1960 and 1961 2 DR RANCH WAGON (Series Code 61 - Body Type Code 59C) and a 1960 and 1961 2DR COMMERCIAL RANCH WAGON COURIER (Series Code 69 - Body Type Code 59E).

The Series Code is found within the VIN so that ID'ng one can possibly be made easier.
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Merc built the ONLY 2-door hardtop wagons ever manufactured

All other hardtop wagons were 4 doors (moredoors as I like to refer to them)

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"Coffee decaf this morning?

You forgot about the NOMAD and SAFARI wagons..."


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No - those mentioned machines used a "B" pillar.

Therefore they are classified as sedans.

The Merc hardtop wagons did not use any sort of "B" pillar and went directly to the "C" pillar.

Even the use of the "C" pillar term on the Merc hardtop wagons is a debatable topic since the rear windows were not compleatly captive.

They could have been referred to as the "D" pillar.

For simplisticity sake lets just call the Merc hardtop wagons as using an "A","C" and "D" pillar.
Noting the missing "B" pillar since no hardtops have "B" pillars.

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No - those mentioned machines used a "B" pillar.

Therefore they are classified as sedans.

The Merc hardtop wagons did not use any sort of "B" pillar and went directly to the "C" pillar.

Even the use of the "C" pillar term on the Merc hardtop wagons is a debatable topic since the rear windows were not compleatly captive.

They could have been referred to as the "D" pillar.

For simplisticity sake lets just call the Merc hardtop wagons as using an "A","C" and "D" pillar.

Noting the missing "B" pillar since no hardtops have "B" pillars.
Hmm...

Got me again. I was thinking of the no glass frame door and did not think of the B-Pillar...


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Actually (and I am not trying to correct you here) there was a 1960 and 1961 2 DR RANCH WAGON (Series Code 61 - Body Type Code 59C) and a 1960 and 1961 2DR COMMERCIAL RANCH WAGON COURIER (Series Code 69 - Body Type Code 59E).

The Series Code is found within the VIN so that ID'ng one can possibly be made easier.



So I'm assuming a 1960 Courier is the same as a Ranch Wagon minus the 2nd row seat.

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So I'm assuming a 1960 Courier is the same as a Ranch Wagon minus the 2nd row seat.

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(IMO ONLY) ...

They are coded (and badged) differently and I think it is mainly trim detail, the COURIER being a stripped basic trim level.

It was just a cheaper way for FORD to provide two similar vehicles on the same platform.
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So I'm assuming a 1960 Courier is the same as a Ranch Wagon minus the 2nd row seat.

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Your question shot completely over my head ...

As best as I can determine (using period ads and the MPC), both vehicles had the folding 2nd rear seat assy.

It seems to me (IMO) that it would have made the vehicle build cost for FORD more with a special delete design and resulting less usefulness of the vehicle.
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So it sounds like the only difference between a Courier and Ranch Wagon in 1960 was the model emblem on the quarter panel. Not doubting it at all, but sounds strange and redundant.

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So it sounds like the only difference between a Courier and Ranch Wagon in 1960 was the model emblem on the quarter panel. Not doubting it at all, but sounds strange and redundant.

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I would imagine the Interior Trim Level/Option List was different and the suspension ratings.

You may find this interesting also-

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1959 Tudor Ranch Wagon "Country Sedan" (59D)
1959 Tudor Ranch Wagon "Courier" (59E)
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Thank you for the '59 model numbers.

When I looked closely at the picture of the blue '60 Courier that you posted in post #80, I could see there didn't appear to be a 2nd row seat, and also it appeared the front seat was only on the driver's side. I realize these are actuall artist drawings and not photos, but still usually accurate.

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Thank you for the '59 model numbers.

When I looked closely at the picture of the blue '60 Courier that you posted in post #80, I could see there didn't appear to be a 2nd row seat, and also it appeared the front seat was only on the driver's side. I realize these are actuall artist drawings and not photos, but still usually accurate.

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You have a good eye for detail. I guess that is why you are a carb specialist...

I went back into the period MPC and the 1960 FORD Courier (59E - only) shows two separate seats as opposed to the regular one piece tilt forward back bench seat.

I would a$$-u-me that the passenger side folds down. Not sure as that detail is not mentioned. Maybe a Shop, Owners and/or Assembly Manual of that year would give more detail.

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According to the seller "this wagon was call a courier for it came with no back seat and hard to fine." The Courier was a Sedan Delivery version that skipped back seats and instead gave you more room to haul your junk.
I may find myself corrected (again).

The folding rear seat MPC Ill only refers to Body Type 59. It does not actually infer either 59C and/or 59E.



I need a 60 Shop Manual...
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Here is an enlarged picture from the Ford Car Parts Manual Posted by KULTULZ. At the bottom, you will see the Body Code Number 59E, which is the Code Number for the 1960 Ford Courier (Sedan Delivery).
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From this Chart, you will see that the 1960 Ford Courier is actually referred to as a 2 dr Commercial Ranch Wagon, Body Code 59E. The regular 2 dr Ranch Wagon is Body Code 59C. All very interesting.
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From this Chart, you will see that the 1960 Ford Courier is actually referred to as a 2 dr Commercial Ranch Wagon, Body Code 59E. The regular 2 dr Ranch Wagon is Body Code 59C. All very interesting.
The 59C and 59E Body Codes applied to both the 1960 and the 1961 FORD 2DR Wagons.
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I know that Ford produced a Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery in 1961. Did they also produce a "full-size" 1961 Ford Courier? The attached picture is too small to enlarge.
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Here is a larger picture of the 1961 Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery from the Sales brochure. It is not the best quality as it started out as a small picture.
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I know that Ford produced a Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery in 1961. Did they also produce a "full-size" 1961 Ford Courier?
Yes. It was the continuation of the 1960 Courier. Both with side glass.



The Ill does not show the badging (RANCH WAGON - COURIER) well, so I cropped it below.

The badging was moved to the rear gate for 1961.

I had a good photo but cannot find it...

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FOUND IT!

Just a side shot and not identified as either a RANCH WAGON or COURIER, but they both looked the same...
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Thank you KULTULZ and Mercman.
You have cleared things up enough to satisfy me. Great info.

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Now, you want to start a new controversy?

What is wrong with this picture(s) (supposedly a dedicated restoration)-
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Maybe that as a sedan delivery, it should be the cheap model, rather than the Fairlane trim??
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The front bumper over-rider is from a Mercury?
Aftermarket spotlights, chrome wire wheels & rocker panel trim...
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Maybe that as a sedan delivery, it should be the cheap model, rather than the Fairlane trim??


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You are sharp! You stole my thunder...

Actually, it is the 57 Ranch Wagon Del Rio trim level.
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The front bumper over-rider is from a Mercury?
Actually, that is an optional grille guard.

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I think the spot lamps/mirrors were again optional/accessory. The wires are later BIRD K-H and the rocker panel kit was optional and also available in a kit.

You guys are killing me.

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My thoughts are that the Front Bumper is correct, with a Genuine Ford Accessory piece above the Bumper Guards, however, I have never seen the side chrome on the bumper on 57 Fords. Also, it has Custom 300 side trim with the added Gold between the two chrome strips. The Brochure for the Ranchero that I checked doesn't list the 300 trim, just the base Custom trim? Maybe, the 300 trim was available on later models? These are my thoughts on this Sedan Delivery.
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My thoughts are that the Front Bumper is correct, with a Genuine Ford Accessory piece above the Bumper Guards, however, I have never seen the side chrome on the bumper on 57 Fords.
Side chrome on bumper?

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Also, it has Custom 300 side trim with the added Gold between the two chrome strips. The Brochure for the Ranchero that I checked doesn't list the 300 trim, just the base Custom trim? Maybe, the 300 trim was available on later models? These are my thoughts on this Sedan Delivery.
The TRIM is taken from the 57 2DR RANCH WAGON DEL RIO.

The 2nd image below shows how the base RANCH WAGON and SEDAN DELIVERY came through.

The actual car is described here- https://silodrome.com/ford-courier-sedan-delivery/
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I meant the Chrome extensions from the Bumper Guards that wrapped around the ends.
I would like to see pictures from the Sales Brochure for the 57 Ford Sedan Deliveries. Does anyone have a copy?
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Have just located a double page from the 'New Ford Trucks for '57 Sales Brochure". This double page shows the Ranchero in the foreground and a small picture of the Courier in the background on the left. From this picture, you can see that both vehicles received totally different side trim. As mentioned by KULTULZ, the side trim on the Courier was similar to the 57 2DR RANCH WAGON DEL RIO. Therefore, the side thim on this nice red and white Courier is totally wrong.
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Look what I found in my Files? An original Advertisement for the 1957 Ford Courier. Note the side trim.
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I meant the Chrome extensions from the Bumper Guards that wrapped around the ends.
I think I know what you are describing. That only came through on high trim levels.

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Have just located a double page from the 'New Ford Trucks for '57 Sales Brochure". This double page shows the Ranchero in the foreground and a small picture of the Courier in the background on the left. From this picture, you can see that both vehicles received totally different side trim.

As mentioned by KULTULZ, the side trim on the Courier was similar to the 57 2DR RANCH WAGON DEL RIO. Therefore, the side thim on this nice red and white Courier is totally wrong.
No, the COURIER came through with basic trim as shown on the sales brochure Ill. The RANCHERO in the Ill shown has a trim level one step below the RANCH WAGON "Del Rio".
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I meant the Chrome extensions from the Bumper Guards that wrapped around the ends.

I would like to see pictures from the Sales Brochure for the 57 Ford Sedan Deliveries. Does anyone have a copy?
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No, look at the picture in post #100. Talking about 1957. Not 1956.

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My thoughts are that the Front Bumper is correct, with a Genuine Ford Accessory piece above the Bumper Guards, however, I have never seen the side chrome on the bumper on 57 Fords.
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I meant the Chrome extensions from the Bumper Guards that wrapped around the ends.
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No, look at the picture in post #100. Talking about 1957. Not 1956.

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So he is describing the actual grille guard as shown on the 57 photo?

If that is so, that is the 57 FORD Grille Guard, optional or accessory.
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He's talking about the chrome risers above the front bumper that start at the standard bumper guards and wrap around the sides. I've never seen them before. I'm aware of the V-Bar factory accessory grill guard.

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scicala said it right. Unfortunately, as I live in Australia, "true" 57 Fords are a rare item, as Ford Australia did not sell these cars here, but updated the 56 Ford Customline by adding the side chrome trim from the 56 Fairlane. However, I have lots of photos of USA 57 Fords in my File, and none have the Grille Guard that starts at the Bumper Guard and wraps around the corner. The Centre Grille Guard with the "V" did in the centre is common, but I have never seen the ones on both sides. They do look good and look factory, but I believe that this is the first time that I have seen them on a 57 Ford. Are these a Genuine Ford Accessory?
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Regarding the Grille Guard on the 56 Fairlane that was posted earlier, no, this style is not what I meant. My personal opinion is that I do not like this style. I like the ones fitted to the 57 Courier, but not this style. If I owned a 56 Ford, there is no way that I would add this Accessory. I hope that I have not insulted anybody, but these are my personal thoughts.
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He's talking about the chrome risers above the front bumper that start at the standard bumper guards and wrap around the sides. I've never seen them before. I'm aware of the V-Bar factory accessory grill guard.

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... sheesh ...

Good thing it wasn't a snake. I didn't even notice them.

I remember vaguely having seen them years ago and that is why I showed the 56 install to ask if they were similar.
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KULTULZ,

I agree. They are hard to notice at first. I didn't notice them at first look either.

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[QUOTE=scicala;1572365]When I looked closely at the picture of the blue '60 Courier that you posted in post #80, I could see there didn't appear to be a 2nd row seat, and also it appeared the front seat was only on the driver's side. I realize these are actuall artist drawings and not photos, but still usually accurate.[QUOTE]

To my knowledge, none of the Courier wagons had provisions for a back seat as these were marketed as haulers and appealed to Mom-n-Pop grocers, Newspaper/parcel deliveries, Floral deliveries, Coroners offices, Police departments, etc.
The Couriers each probably came from the factory with a city bus drivers seat only, however a full bench seat from a 2-door car could have been ordered and installed by the local dealer.
I don't recall ever seeing a Courier with exterior trim options back in the day other than a luggage rack on the roof, but they might have had a variety of electrical/lighting options for police and fire departments.

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scicala said it right. Unfortunately, as I live in Australia, "true" 57 Fords are a rare item, as Ford Australia did not sell these cars here, but updated the 56 Ford Customline by adding the side chrome trim from the 56 Fairlane.

However, I have lots of photos of USA 57 Fords in my File, and none have the Grille Guard that starts at the Bumper Guard and wraps around the corner.

The Centre Grille Guard with the "V" did in the centre is common, but I have never seen the ones on both sides. They do look good and look factory, but I believe that this is the first time that I have seen them on a 57 Ford. Are these a Genuine Ford Accessory?
Yes, they are GENUINE. I found a 57 WAGON SALES BROCHURE that has a very bad photo of the option. Being in the brochure, it would have been a factory option (most likely installed @ the selling dealer - dealer prep) and also available over-the-counter as an accessory.

I have found the PN (B7A 18412-A) for the V-BAR but not the extensions. Not sure if the extensions were part of the center kit or sold separately.

Most of this info was deleted from the 49/59MPC @ Final Print many years ago.

Did the photos I included in the above post give you enough detail?

I have a buddy that bought a full trim FAIRLANE years ago and removed a complete setup and put them in his garage attic. If he still has them, he is a rich man. Just the center bar kit is going for 1700.00.
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Regarding the Grille Guard on the 56 Fairlane that was posted earlier. My personal opinion is that I do not like this style.
I agree the car looks better without that "cow-catcher" on the front of it. But I coulda used one like that back in '93 when I was on a 2-lane highway between Eagle and Gypsum Colorado during a blizzard where you literally could not see five feet in front of the car the snow was commin down so hard and I hit a darned cow crossing the road. Its a miracle he didn't knock the headlight shroud off the front fender or somethin
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The above pictures are of pages from the original Sales brochures. You can see that the Centre "V" Bar is listed, but not the outside Accessory Bars? However, if you look closely at the illustrations of both the Fairlane 500 and Custom 300, you can see that both cars shows this Accessory. It is unusual that the Wagon Brochure shows this part. It is obviously a rare Accessory for the 57 Fords. If the Centre piece is worth $1700, what are the outside pieces worth?
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DAMN!

THANX for those.

Did you see my scan above where it shows the side bars?

These brochures are like a parts or shop manual, they have different quarterly publishing dates. It may be the extensions were not offered when this particular brochure was printed.

Now, are you sitting down? Got one of them big Aussie beers in your hand?

Look at the attached photo and tell me what you see. I have a couple more surprises but I am leaving in the AM for a few days.

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it is a very warm day here. Have just had a cup of tea for Afternoon Tea. Don't touch that other stuff. Regarding the two pictures that I posted, did you check the front bumpers on both? They have this Accessory shown highlighted on the Illustration of the cars, but not separately like the centre "V" section is.
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Here is a picture that I just found of a 1957 Ford Fairlane with the full Accessory Grille Guard fitted. These Bumper Accessories for the 1957 Fords seem to be few and far between.
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My 54 Merc wagon did start as a 54 Ford, Ranch wagon. with 54 not 51 rear quarter panel weld in. 54 Merc dash, steering column, seats even the wheels are Merc. Has a 54 Merc wagon rear bumper and gas tank door and door panels. it is all Merc. The head lights are not frenched just used stock 54 light doors. I am Not from Illinois, there was some wrong info in the Hot Rod magazine article.
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Thanks Tomjc for posting pictures of your 1954 Mercury Two Door Station Wagon. It looks absolutely stock, as Ford Motor Company would have made it.
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Here is a picture that I just found of a 1957 Ford Fairlane with the full Accessory Grille Guard fitted. These Bumper Accessories for the 1957 Fords seem to be few and far between.
I don't see your picture. May be my browser...

Is this a good shot?

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Start again - Here is a picture that I just found of a 1957 Ford Fairlane with the full Accessory Grille Guard fitted. These Bumper Accessories for the 1957 Fords seem to be few and far between.
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Hmm...

Got me again. I was thinking of the no glass frame door and did not think of the B-Pillar...



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[quote]The 2-Door Pillared Hardtop



Let’s stop beating around the bush with such polite descriptions of the ’70s as The Great Brougham Epoch, The Faux Luxury Era, The Loose-Pillow Era, The Malaise Era, The Bordello Era, et al. In truth, the decade was The Stupid Era.



How the hell else to explain this roof design: Two stupid fixed panes that in no way way line up with or relate to each other. It’s as though PPG called up Ford and said, “Hey, we’ve got a couple hundred thousand little window panes in two odd sizes, and we really need to get rid of them. We’ll make you a deal.” and Ford replied,”Yeah, send ’em on over. We’ll make ’em fit somehow.” And so they did.

Incredibly, Ford actually managed to top that stroke of genius with what must be the stupidest name ever coined: The 2-Door Pillared Hardtop. How stupid did they think we were?
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Hmm...

Got me again. I was thinking of the no glass frame door and did not think of the B-Pillar...



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sheesh ...

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It seems I am not the only one. FORD ENGINEERING missed a few classes too...

The 2-Door Pillared Hardtop



Let’s stop beating around the bush with such polite descriptions of the ’70s as The Great Brougham Epoch, The Faux Luxury Era, The Loose-Pillow Era, The Malaise Era, The Bordello Era, et al. In truth, the decade was The Stupid Era.



How the hell else to explain this roof design: Two stupid fixed panes that in no way way line up with or relate to each other. It’s as though PPG called up Ford and said, “Hey, we’ve got a couple hundred thousand little window panes in two odd sizes, and we really need to get rid of them. We’ll make you a deal.” and Ford replied,”Yeah, send ’em on over. We’ll make ’em fit somehow.” And so they did.

Incredibly, Ford actually managed to top that stroke of genius with what must be the stupidest name ever coined: The 2-Door Pillared Hardtop. How stupid did they think we were?
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Seems my browser is carousing without me...

Sorry for the double post and I cannot EDIT it...

Seems Oldmic hasn't a pleasing sense of humor and kicks when one tries to pull his leg...
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Kultulz says

"Seems Oldmic hasn't a pleasing sense of humor and kicks when one tries to pull his leg... [/QUOTE]"

I"ll admit my sense of humor is not as fluid as the engineers who dreamed up those panes .

We always referred to those idiosyncrasys as "opera windows".

They were always a fixture IN the "C" pillars . A term I believe that was a holdover from the horse drawn carriage days.

Just flat out STUPID but it was the 70s .

Never saw them on a 2 door wagon however.

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...damn...

We do think alike a lot...

I figured out (I think) what happened to my post. I cut and paste some text from the page I found this subject on and it must have sent this forum haywire...

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The vehicle shown- The smaller glass in the C-Pillar was an Opera Glass and the larger a Quarter Glass...

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How about the exterior pillar lamps on the LINC of the period?
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No, look at the picture in post #100. Talking about 1957. Not 1956.

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"How about the exterior pillar lamps on the LINC of the period?"

Couldnt find a Lincoln - will the exterior pillar lamps ( and more ) on this Caddie be good enough

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Couldnt find a Lincoln - will the exterior pillar lamps ( and more ) on this Caddie be good enough

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How did it get across the Malware...
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Couldnt find a Lincoln - will the exterior pillar lamps ( and more ) on this Caddie be good enough

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How did it get across the Malware...
Below is a mid-Eighties TOWN-



I am a big fan of LINC. These were nice cruisers in their day...
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^i^^^^^

Belongs to a buddy of mine.

Steve started with a really bad junk yard 56 2 door wagon and built his "What If" machine as a 1956 Ranchero.

Many people have argued with him who believed it was an original Ford build.

Its Y Block powered.

According to him there are a few of similiar builds scattered around the country.

If you are looking at the picture showing the view thru the rear window of his Ranchero , the white T Bird with its hood up is mine.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^i^^^^^

Belongs to a buddy of mine.

Steve started with a really bad junk yard 56 2 door wagon and built his "What If" machine as a 1956 Ranchero.

Many people have argued with him who believed it was an original Ford build.

Its Y Block powered.

According to him there are a few of similiar builds scattered around the country.

If you are looking at the picture showing the view thru the rear window of his Ranchero , the white T Bird with its hood up is mine.

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Is there anyone that you don't know? ...

It is a damn fine conversion job! I like the CROWN trim-out and the PARKLANE badging. He's into detail isn't he?

Do you know if there are any under-hood shots online?

Regarding Y-BLOCK's. When I grew up (still in process) they weren't very popular but what they are doing with them now is something else.

BTW- I went by your house on the way to OC on I-97 last weekend, honked the horn and waved.

Did you hear me?
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How do you like this pair of 1957 Mercury Voyager Two Door Station Wagons. Very classy looking Wagons.
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From the movie Escape fron New York? Kurt Russell as "The Snake"
The above photo of a Cadillac? With Chandeliers.
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How do you like this pair of 1957 Mercury Voyager Two Door Station Wagons. Very classy looking Wagons.


Very nice, but I still like Oldmics best because of the M335 engine.

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This survivor 1963 Mercury Comet Custom Two Door Wagon, 1 of 272 built is currently advertised on Hemmings. With low sales, this was the final year of the Mercury Comet Two Door Wagon.
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...know when to hold 'em...

...know when to fold them...

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I - 100% concede !

That picture maybe should go into the UTE thread ?

It should definatly go into the "Please wash my Brain out" department.

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Kultulz, OMG! That little "bug" thing movin around at the bottom of your post..!!??!!...what the H#*L is that?!?!? I tried to KILL IT TWICE before I realized it wasent "on" my screen...it was "in" it...
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That little "bug" thing movin around at the bottom of your post..!!??!!...what the H#*L is that?!?!? I tried to KILL IT TWICE before I realized it wasent "on" my screen...it was "in" it...


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It reminds me of an old chain-drive MACK...
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I still like the little Comet wagon.
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Here is a larger picture of the 1956 Ford Ranch Wagon posted by 1931flathead. The other 56 Ford was a Courier with Windows.
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The black one?
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Yes I like the Black one, is it a 64? I also like the little white 63. I am Partial to 63-65 Falcons, and Comets. I think they were and still are under-rated cars.
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It's a '60, and I've had it for 30 years, but restored/modified it in 2007.



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This appears to be a good starter kit for our Northern friends. And CHEAP

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You have a very nice Comet wagon there ! I noticed what looks like dual exhausts. What's under the hood ?

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Here is a 1955 Ford Two Door Wagon thats showing lots of potential. The tailgate and rear section looks to be 57 Ford, plus it has the crown over the roof from a 1955 Crown Victoria. Can't wait to see the finished product.
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I don't think the roof is '55 wagon. Looks like maybe a complete '57 Ford wagon roof. Also has unique '55 Fairlane style side trim that doesn't arc over the top of the front fenders, and a '56 Ford rear bumper with the oval exhaust outlets.

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You have a very nice Comet wagon there ! I noticed what looks like dual exhausts. What's under the hood ?

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Sal,

It's got a mild 289/C4, a '63 Falcon V8 8 inch rear, and '65 V8 front suspension/steering with Granada spindles. Fun little cruiser, and just a bit better than the bolt action six banger it came with.

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Very nicely done. Plenty of power for the wagon !

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Nice 1958 Edsel Roundup two door wagon
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Thanks for posting a picture of your 1956 Ford Parklane. Here is an enlarged picture of it, making it easier to see.
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Nice 1957 Ford Del Rio two door station wagon.
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And here is one fully dressed-

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The hood emblem is different, along with other stuff of course, looks great!
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I just noticed it has been shaved. The paint job overcame me I guess...
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It's a '55 hood and hood ornament. '56 Fords had a different ornament that was recessed into the hood (actual hole in the hood for it).

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I still like the little Comet wagon.
Figure this one out...

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Old 02-21-2018, 01:28 AM   #170
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And here is one fully dressed-

1956 FORD CUSTOMLINE RANCH WAGON



Thanks for posting these shots! My nephew built that wagon for a customer. A LOT of work to get that car to look so good.
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The body work and Tutone are absolutely beautiful...
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:51 AM   #172
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Here is a 1955 Ford Two Door Wagon thats showing lots of potential. The tailgate and rear section looks to be 57 Ford, plus it has the crown over the roof from a 1955 Crown Victoria. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Is this an AUSTRALIAN FORD being shown?

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The 1955 Ford was also produced by Ford Australia which offered it as a V8 Customline 4-door sedan and as a V8 Mainline 2-door coupe utility.[11] p 131–132 The latter body style was developed in Australia utilising an imported convertible chassis strengthened for load carrying.[11] 136 A limited number of Customline wagons was also built.[11] 137


The 1955 model was the first Australian Ford to receive the new overhead-valve "Y-block" V8 engine, and went on sale at the end of July 1955.[12] Australian Customlines and Mainlines received the 1956 US Ford facelift and then further makeovers in 1957 and 1958 with the final series utilizing the grille from 1955 Meteor of Canada.[11] p 131–132 The 1957s, introduced in September 1957, were also available with the Fordomatic automatic transmission, and local parts content had been increased to 80 percent.[13]


By 1958 the Customline was being marketed as the Ford V8 Fordomatic when supplied with automatic transmission.[14][15] 1958 was also when the larger, 292 cu in (4.79 L) V8 engine was introduced.[16] Australian production ended the following year with the introduction of the 1959 US Ford which was locally produced in Custom 300, Fairlane 500 and Ranch Wagon models.[17]
SOURCE- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_Ford#Australian_production





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Nothing like a high dollar paint scheme to make one look good-

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Old 02-25-2018, 11:09 AM   #174
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Thunder-Del Rio-Bird...

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I saw that one in San Diego in Sept. of '16
It might have looked better in another color???
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Yep, This one qualifies as a Ford two door wagon. Very neat.
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1957 BIRD SE BUILD w 57 SW TOP ASM




Notice the door glass opening- Done as pillared HDTP.


1957 BIRD SW BUILD w 56 SW TOP ASM




Again, notice door glass opening- Done as sedan (includes door glass frame) - 56 PARKLANE Trim. And they kept that nasty 55/56 SW Roof Rack...
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Old 03-23-2018, 09:22 AM   #178
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At the last National Thunderbird Convention in Jersey , there was some joking about having to offer a new T Bird Station Wagon class for judging since these have been built.


Its the same good old story , when does the competition begin : As soon as the second one is built


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I don't see the reason(s) why, but hey...

Anywho...

Figure this one out...

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Photoshop...


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Here's my '55 Ranchwagon I tried to submit a few months back.
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Love your ride. Thanks BlacktopScraper for posting this picture of your pride and joy. Mercman <><
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Here is a 1955 Ford Two Door Wagon thats showing lots of potential. The tailgate and rear section looks to be 57 Ford, plus it has the crown over the roof from a 1955 Crown Victoria. Can't wait to see the finished product.
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Is this car down there with you? If so, can you keep the board updated as to any progress?

I am really interested in how the front door glass frame was done (possibly as the CROWN VICTORIA - NOMAD was done).

THANX!
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To answer KULTULZ question, this is not an Australian Ford Station Wagon.
The first year that Ford Australia offered a full size Station Wagon was 1959. It was only available as a four door Ranch Wagon and was sold from 1959 to 1961 with the only change being the grille and slight change to the rear chrome trim.
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When I was a kid (thousands of years ago), and happened to see a 2-door wagon for the first time, I said to myself; Why would anybody want to buy a wagon that can haul a boatload of people, who would all need to crawl over the driver and front passenger to get in the car? (basically same thing I felt about 2-door non-wagons with a backseat).
Much later on, it came to mind that a 2-door wagon might just be a brilliant strategy in marketing/competitivity. Here, you can have three backseat passengers if needed, without the extra expense of two back doors AND have the ability to fold down the back seat into a large cargo area when needed also. I would assume that the 2-door wagons would have been less expensive than the 4-door wagons?

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I have a few Ford product wagons. Where can I get a Vin Code Desipher ?
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I have a few Ford product wagons. Where can I get a Vin Code Desipher ?
What years do you need the charts for?

Here's an old scratchy looking one for '55 and '56... it opens a pdf document in a new window.

https://thecvaonline.com/howtos/DataPlateDecoder.pdf

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Nice 57 Ford Ranch Wagon advertised in Hemmings.
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Here is a very rare and unusual Two Door Station Wagon, a Canadian 1960 Frontenac. They were only made for one year, and sold by Mercury Dealers. It was replaced in 1961 with the Mercury Comet. Very rare in this body style.
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Nice 57 Ford Ranch Wagon advertised in Hemmings.

Has anyone noticed the HDL DOORS on this car? They have been cut down and while improving the HDL appearance (IMO) the car still has BUG-EYES...

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Chopped, shaved and slammed. But it shows one can be done

- 1956 FORD PARKLANE CROWN -


Pump the tires up and put the door handles on and it will make a nice custom...
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This beauty was posted by KULTULZ on another Thread. This 56 Ford Parklane is wearing 56 Mercury Station Wagon Tail Lights.
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