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Old 01-07-2022, 04:40 PM   #1
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Default Tips on transmission removal 1954 Ford

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My son has a 1954 Ford 239 V8 with the FOM automatic transmission with a cracked flexplate. With the help of some very nice Fordbarn members help we have located a new updated flexplate and the 3 reinforcing/spacer rings to install it.
Now my question is at this point there is no leaks from the transmission and would love to remove the transmission/bellhousing and converter complete on order to replace the cracked flexplate. The little information I can read this cannot be done without cutting the floor or crossmember to get the complete trans out. Is the any tips on how to remove it complete?
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Old 01-07-2022, 05:34 PM   #2
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The '54 Ford has the same car frame as the '55 and '56, but the body of the '54 is different which may mean clearances for removal might be different, but under NO circumstances would it ever be necessary to cut up a car frame to remove a transmission.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, but this is the way I've always done it on '55 & '56's:
Unhook the starter and remove it completely.
Unscrew the filler/dipstick and drain ATF. Remove dipstick tube & bracket.
Disconnect transmission passing gear link and gear select link at the trans levers and tape them out of the way so they don't get accidentally bent during trans case removal.
Pull the speedo cable and gear out of trans rear extension housing.
Remove (4) bolts holding driveshaft rear U-joint to the yoke and pull driveshaft out.
The trans is now ready to begin removal process.
Get a floor-jack with a scrap of 1/2" plywood to roll under the trans pan
Remove the 4 bolts that hold the trans case to the bellhousing. Do not remove bellhousing bolts yet.
Remove the (6) bolts (3 on each side) of the removable frame crossmember under the trans. Remove the (2) bolts that hold the U-bracket to the crossmember, then remove crossmember completely.
Lift the floor jack arm and put a little tension on it, then pull the trans case/rear housing sub-assembly out of the bellhousing. Pull it back on the rolling floor jack so that the front pump shaft clears the bellhousing just a little bit.
The next part is tricky. You will need to lower (SLOWLY) the floor jack while pushing the floor jack forward so that the front pump shaft has continued clearance from the bellhousing. Keep lowering and pushing the jack forward until the pump shaft is BELOW the bottom of the bellhousing. At this point, the trans will be tilted downward at the front quite a bit, so you may need to adjust the focal point of the floor jack arm with respect to it's position on the bottom of the pan. Be careful.
Once you are clear of the bellhousing, grab the rear extension housing while pushing the floor jack and trans forward until the rear extension clears the last little frame crossover. Then level off and lower your floor jack and roll the trans out from under the car.
Next, Remove the bolts that hold the front inspection plate (half-moon shaped) and remove it. You may also want to remove the (4) bolts that hold the intake air duct to the bellhousing, then remove it and the chicken wire screen to avoid damage to them during removal. Remove the bellhousing-to-engine block bolts. It may be necessary to remove your interior floor covering to access the top bolts. Pop out the floor plugs to see the bolts. Then you can pull the bellhousing out from under the car.
Now, drain the ATF from the converter to lighten it up a bit. Then begin removing all the bolts holding the air-cooled converter to the flex-plate. There should be two tabs on the flex-plate @ 180 degrees apart with (3) bolts each for a total of (6) bolts and nuts to remove the converter. It will be necessary to turn the engine crankshaft to get to some of the bolts.
Now, with the converter out of the way, you can access the (5) bolts that hold the flex-plate to the crankshaft.
Ta da
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What BODY STYLE is the 54?

Do you know if it has a BOX FRAME or X-FRAME?
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Hi ,
Thanks for the responses. I appreciate the detailed instructions. It is a 2 door sedan customline. Is there any way to remove the transmission and bellhousing assembly with out separating the two?
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I appreciate the detailed instructions. It is a 2 door sedan customline. Is there any way to remove the transmission and bellhousing assembly with out separating the two?

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That is what I needed to know the frame type for. Will be back.
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OK ...

1st you need a 1954 CAR WSM to help you along with the car. Best way out (IMO) is a CD set.

What they are referring to regarding the floorboard is there are two rubber covers for holes on the trans tunnel (move back floor covering) allowing you to remove the two upper convertor hsng bolts.

The trans is then removed as Dave described.

I had a feeling if was the X-FRAME, it would have to be removed as in a BIRD.
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Thanks again. I appreciate it. So basically there is no way to remove it as assembly without cutting the floor to allow the tailshaft to tilt up to get it to clear the engine to get it out of there. My son is selling his 54 and we thought it would help sell it if we could get the flexplate installed to quiet it down. Considering messing with the converter seal and the possibility of making leaks we may reconsider this and sell it as is.
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So basically there is no way to remove it as assembly without cutting the floor to allow the tailshaft to tilt up to get it to clear the engine to get it out of there.
There is no reason to cut the floorboard.

That trans will slide out from underneath.
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Sorry KULTULZ and Daves55sedan but if I understand correctly the only way to get the transmission out is to separate the bellhousing & transmission for it to get it out of there? Sorry to be dense but the older I get I think the denser I feel.
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Old 01-07-2022, 07:42 PM   #10
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it is not an easy job.i took one out of a 56 with a transmission jack and the car was on a hoist.still a handful.
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Sorry KULTULZ and Daves55sedan but if I understand correctly the only way to get the transmission out is to separate the bellhousing & transmission for it to get it out of there? Sorry to be dense but the older I get I think the denser I feel.
It will come out whole. If you take it out in sections and have to replace it as such, think of the filth that will fall into it.
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GREAT! Yes you are exactly right. Thanks again!
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Do you have a shop manual? That may describe the steps needed to remove the transmission. If your working on your car, you should have this manual. Personally, I prefer the written manual, not the one on CD. I don't have a computer in my garage.
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I do have a chiltons manual but couldn't find where it tells how to remove the auto trans (even lists the R&R but not there when I looked), just the manual trans. I need to dig in my shop and I may have a motors manual that will have it.
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Old 01-08-2022, 04:32 AM   #15
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The 1954 WSM gives instructions in detail.

1955/ WSM description must have gone to the AT TRANS WSM.
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I was 18 when I converted my 56 Meteor CV from an automatic to a 3sp back in 68'. Did the whole job in the family garage with no hoist, no air tools or even a shop manual. I didn't have to do any cutting, bending or other oddball things. Did have to use a lot of muscle. End result with my 3sp Hurst Mystery shifter was a very smooth manual conversion.
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myself i would change the flexplate and thats all.
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Someone who has better knowledge can affirm or dispel this. It is my understanding that once the torque converter is installed on the input shaft it can't be removed without damaging the snap ring inside the TC. For that reason you unbolt the TC from the flexplate and remove the transmission and bellhousing as a unit.
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Hi
Do you think its possible to slide transmission back far enough to exchange the flexplate?
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Are you doing this on the ground or do you have a lift?
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