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Old 04-11-2019, 12:57 PM   #1
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Question Pedal assembly

New to the forum and was wondering if anyone in the forum have any tips and hints on removing the pedal assembly from a stock 37 and installing the Drake 39 assembly? I'm converting to hydraulic brakes using the MT products kits front and back. This all started with bad king pins and a tie rod end so I figured it would be a good time to do the conversion. Rear drums are a bear but waiting to rent the puller from Van Pelt.

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Old 04-11-2019, 04:42 PM   #2
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I would check out what Richard Lacy has to offer that uses your '37 pedals before I went too far with the '39 units. Richard Lacy at earlyv8@aol.com (mail), earlyv8garage.net (web site), (626) 338-2282

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Old 04-12-2019, 12:21 AM   #3
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Welcome to the ‘Barn. Charlie has a good recommendation. Good luck. Mike
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:58 PM   #4
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Everything he sells is well thought out and works well. I will I had known about him sooner.
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Old 04-13-2019, 06:59 AM   #5
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I used Richard Lacy's master cylinder mount on a '35 tudor I converted to hydraulic brakes. By using Richard's conversion you would not have the hassle of removing the original brake/clutch pedal assembly and installing a '39 assembly. This kit also provides an emergency brake cable mounting system that connects to original brake lever mechanism. I posted pictures of this conversion in a previous post here.
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Old 04-13-2019, 08:50 AM   #6
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Thanks everyone for the input. I will check Richard Lacy's website and also look for JM 35's photos of his conversion.

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Old 04-13-2019, 11:40 AM   #7
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I used Richard Lacy's master cylinder mount on a '35 tudor I converted to hydraulic brakes. There was no hassle with removing original brake/clutch pedal assembly and installing a '39 assembly. The kit also provides an emergency brake cable mounting system that connects to original brake lever mechanism. I posted pictures of this conversion in a previous post here.
I am not sure reading your post if you used Richard Lacy's master cylinder mount or a '39 assembly?

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Old 04-13-2019, 06:44 PM   #8
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I have Drake's 39 assembly but was unsure how it mounted.
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:13 PM   #9
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There is a template for the cutout required for the 1939 pedals. I think the lower rear hole is common with the 1937 pedals and the other holes may be different.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:01 AM   #10
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If the '37 is sim to my '38 you have to enlarge the hole the assembly goes through. I didn't have the template back when I did mine so that was the hardest part. The stock '37 clutch shaft lever will probably be too far right to line up with the '39 clutch pedal linkage. I just made a longer shaft but there are other offset clutch shaft levers that will make everything line up. Also note that the clutch pedal arm may bottom out on the '37 frame. This will limit adjustment. You can make a dimple in the edge of the frame where the clutch pedal arm hits and that will help. I didn't do that but I wished I had after I changed to a diaphragm clutch disc. Could have used the extra wiggle room.
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Old 04-14-2019, 09:35 PM   #11
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Brother Zeke and 38bill, thanks for the input. Thanks for the heads up on the clutch linkage 38. I'll keep that in mind. Zeke, I'm sure the template will come in handy. I was going to call Drake since my assembly did not have the template.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:46 AM   #12
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I thought it was on their site to down load at one time, not sure.
Isn't the one posted in #9 the one you need? You would have to mess with the size to get it correct, but shouldn't be too difficult if you have the bracket to compare.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:00 AM   #13
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Having just installed the Drake '39 pedal assy on my '36, I can tell you that once you get it mounted, which is a lot of work, the holes through the floor board don't line up. I have dual exhaust or I would have used the Lacy assy. His requires the master be set at 90 degrease to the chassis, a very interesting invention.


Also as a note, with dual exhaust, the pipe runs about an inch or two away from the master making the fluid very hot. I had to cram lots of insulation between the two. Duals also make the gas line and wiring hot, more insulation.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:50 AM   #14
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Thanks everyone for the input. I will check Richard Lacy's website and also look for JM 35's photos of his conversion.

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Zeke, I went back and searched for the post I had made and couldn't find the one I mentioned, so thought I would save time and just repost these pictures here. You may have already made your decision to go with '39 pedals, but someone else may benefit from knowing that Richard Lacy sells a kit that's an alternate method for mounting a master cylinder, instead of swapping to a '39 pedal assembly. This kit is a bolt in design requiring no cutting, or other modifications, and also provides a direct hookup to the original e-brake handle.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:47 AM   #15
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The template attached to Zeke3's post #9 should work. I didn't have any info so I laid it out myself using an original '39 pedal assembly that I removed from another pickup. I started with the top rear screw hole to mount it (the template says to use the rear bottom hole). I don't know how the '37 is but my floor boards matched the '39 pedals perfectly. Maybe just got lucky? Steve does has a good point regarding the exhaust. Depending on what your setup is you may want a heat shield of some kind. I'm running Red's headers and they seem to be far enough outboard that its not really a problem. I originally had a small heat shield next to the MC (you can just see the clamps in the photo) but I have since removed it without any problems. You can also see the original top front bolt hole that went unused.
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Old 04-16-2019, 05:59 PM   #16
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You are correct. that is the template I needed and it does match up to the assembly. Thanks. Zeke
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Old 04-16-2019, 06:05 PM   #17
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JM,

That looks like a great setup but as you guessed I'm to far into the 39 assembly to turn back. It look like the whole cable assembly was removed from the frame to make room. Great pictures.


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Old 04-16-2019, 06:10 PM   #18
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38Bill,


I see you have an attachment to the pedal assembly master cylinder bracket. Was that for more room from the frame? The Drake template has us modifying the smaller hole for the edge of the master cylinder bracket.

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Old 04-16-2019, 06:13 PM   #19
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38Bill,

By the way great picture! They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I can now visualize hoe things should go together.

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Old 04-16-2019, 06:37 PM   #20
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The extra piece sandwiched in between the MC and pedal is an adaptor that allows you to use a modern 2 bolt MC.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...2021/overview/

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