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Old 04-28-2016, 02:01 PM   #1
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Hi all,

New to the group, but several hours of surfing and I feel like I've found a home. I'm going to look at a '31 Fordor and was looking for some input. They claim "all original", though obviously that's not the case. Engine is not original, though I'm told correct for the car and runs well. Paint is certainly not original, and the interior has been redone (very nice, but not to stock). And though I think they look nice, I'm pretty sure Ford never offered this car with white wall tires. So, the "all original" thing is out the window. Assuming the car runs well and drives nice, what sort of value would you place on the car (the asking price is $8K)? Also, it has a passenger side spare as well as a rear mounted spare - was this normal? And, last but not least, is there anything in particular that I should look for when inspecting this particular model?

You're input is greatly appreciated. Should we end up as the proud new owners I'm sure you'll be hearing from me quite a bit!
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Old 04-28-2016, 02:28 PM   #2
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Welcome to the barn. Depends on what you are looking for in a first model A. Lots of small changes on that one that may not make it the right choice for a high point car, but maybe a decent first A you might enjoy while making some changes, or not, again depending on your own goals. Basic car is a Murray bodied slant window sedan, a nice model. Paint, sealed beam headlights, nice but later wheels and interior all point to someone who wanted to personalize the car to their taste. Those can be tough to resell and usually won't sell for as much as a car closer to stock. I would look to see how it is mechanically, what's been done does look ok, maybe they handledon't mechanical side also.
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Thanks for the thoughts. I'm really interested in your basic "Sunday Breakfast" sort of a car. I'm not concerned about little issues that might cost me points at a show, just looking for a decent A to tool around in on a nice summer day. So the headlights and wheels aren't original either?
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One more thing, the issue with a car like this is it is neither fish nor fowl, in other words a less than perfect original or more faithful old restoration or a traditional hot rod, if one is going to modify, will find a buyer a lot faster than a car like this. That said it seems reasonable in terms of price if you can use it pretty much as is. Sedans are nice, imo. Good luck with your decision keep us posted!
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Look like 16 inch v8 wheels, but that's not necessarily bad, very common on these cars for a little better ride and tire contact. Others I am sure will chime in! :-)
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I always liked the '31 4 door slant window because they have a lot less wood than the other 4 doors. I think I would get rid of the sun visor that was added to the outside above the window. The only reason I mention this is that you might want to check how much effort it would take to do this (probably the first thing I would do). Decide what you need to do to make it the car you want and then add the cost of this to the purchase price and consider if you could buy one in the shape you want. From what I can see it looks like a good car at a reasonable price but it is hard to tell from a picture. Plan on taking a lot of pictures and posting them when you return. Take a knowledgeable Model A person with you when you go to look at the car.

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Sure looks like a great car and price for what you described as what you want. Someone has put quite a bit of money into that car and it looks like it was lovingly cared for. I can only guess that the car is mechanicly OK based on the outer appearance. If I was in the market for a car as you described for your purpose, I would definately pursue futher inspection on it.
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By the way, since you are not interested in making it totaly original, I like the non original sun visor.
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Yeah, I thought the sun visor looked pretty OK as well......

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Dont worry about the WW tires. A guy at a car show told me my Cabriolet was not original because of the WW tires and I questioned his powder coated rims. He was a powder coat freak and had powder coated everything he could. Henry also never used powder coating. I told him he couldn't wear two hats. Wayne
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Welcome to the barn! Other things to check on-assuming they are stock:
-engine bearings if they are poured babbit.
-brakes, if there is any slop then she won't stop well especially if she still has steel drums.

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When you say "slop", what exactly are you referring to? Slop in the brake pedal, as in having to push further/harder than anticipated? Or something else?

Checking those bearings would be more in-depth than one could realistically perform on a cursory inspection / test drive - yes? I'm thinking I may just have to take the owners word and base my opinion of the engine on how it runs / sounds / gut feeling. Is there something I can do (fairly quickly) to give an idea of bearing condition that I'm not aware of?

Probably dumb questions (and I'm fairly mechanically inclined), but I've never checked out a car of this vintage and want to know what I'm looking for.

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Look in the gas tank fill with a flashlight for rust or other junk. Contaminated tanks in these are a PIA very important,,,
Make sure the engine oil is clear and not milky
See if it has shocks ,,, many cars are missing them ,,, that's a G right there
Look for a bad oil leak at the rear main area...
Steering with a lot of play like 2-4 inches or more could mean box or frt end issues....
Follow the hood alignment line down the cowl many of these cars have frame sag
Feel clutch for chatter
The brakes should stop the car quickly and the pedal should not go down to the floor on a panic stop...brake systems in these cars are expensive
Make sure all the doors close evenly and nicely
Maybe you can post pics under the hood from both sides when you are there and the undercarriage frt and rear
Ask if it's still positive 6 volt ground
Stock wiring in these are in looms and it shouldn't look like a birds nest / fire hazard
Make sure where the collumn mounts to the fuel tank that you don't see any fuel stains there..another PIA
See if they run antifreeze or water...

One last thing and I hope you don't think I'm a dick but I am giving you my personal opinion which may vary from others...
This car is not my cup of tea due to the fenders are not black and the body color is not appealing to me. The interior material is totally redone from the way these cars should look.. That being said yes anything can be fixed but I would rather spend a little more to get something more correct.
Good luck on your decision

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Welcome to the barn! I recently saw this vehicle listed on Craigslist. You must be in Texas? Good luck with the purchase. My personal opinion is you won't really know how well she is put together till you spend plenty of time inspecting every aspect of it. Something that cannot be done thoroughly in a quick sale. Its basically a matter of is it worth 8k to you.
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Mitch-

No offense taken at all - different strokes, right? Since I'm not currently subscribing to the "keep it bone stock" mantra, the little things that aren't absolutely original don't really bother me. Again, we're just looking for a nice looking A to putt around in when the sun comes out - and this one looked to fit the bill. I was just looking for learned opinions on approximate value (re: is the seller in the ballpark).

I really do appreciate all of the tips on what to look for.

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The paint and upholstery isn't my cup of tea either, but the nice thing is that this is a steel framed body, rather than wood framed as on earlier models. Also, I like sedans because of the comfort and room inside, and you can keep your possessions locked up.
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Rocketdog1, you don't state where you are located. Maybe someone from the Barn could go with you check it out. For the price it seems reasonable from the pictures however I didn't know May Kay was around in the 30's.
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That sunvisor is the bees knees. If I were ever able to get a SW, I would have to get a sunvisor put on it. Looks nekked without it.
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8k asking they probably would take less! I don't think 8k you would get hurt. Maybe take someone else with you to look for bad things because it sound like you really want it! Good Luck with your first model A and Wecome to the barn! P.S. We all like pictures
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By slop I mean worn Clevis pins and bushings in the brake system. This is relatively easy to find out by crawling under the car and literally shaking things. If the brake rods move forwards or back or up and down then the pins are worn. If the brake actuating levers move within the bushings or (in the case of the fronts) not about 15 degrees forward of center they are probably worn. the system itself is not hard to rebuild or costly-until you get to the drums.

These cars came with steel drums which were not meant to be turned. And your brakes will fade fast when hot. Most people replace them with cast iron drums which resist fading and wear better.

As far as the bearings go to get a really accurate picture the pan has to be dropped. But you can remove a plug strap and listen with a stethoscope or screw driver to each cylinder for any thumping noises.

Good luck and if you can take someone with you. Also remember these cars don't have synchros in the tranny so you have to double clutch.

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Get under the car with a good flashlight-was the owner a "cosmetics" guy, or did he get under the car with a grease gun on a regular basis?
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OK, I see it has a visor therefore it's not what popularly known as a "Slant windshield". Without going into great detail, the SW have far less wood in the frame of then body. Yes Ford built the model A body over a wooden frame. This wood can be very good or very bad depending on how the car spent it's last 80+ years. I'm doing one now so I am very familiar with what they can be like. It's a whole lumberyard of custom shapes and sizes. Otherwise, go with what Mitch said.
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I must disagree with some on here about that sunvisor, does not belong on a '31 SW.
If you want a sunvisor, get a '30.
Have to agree with most, the color is not pleasing, and those fenders have got to be black.
The front fender lights have got to go.
If it runs well, stops well and the lights and gauges all work, I say $8K is not a bad price, but I must agree with others on this, you can talk him down a grand.
Take someone who know A's with you, can save you a lot of heart ache down the road.
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Runs, stops, 8k, take it!
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I'm thinking I may just have to take the owners word and base my opinion of the engine on how it runs / sounds / gut feeling.
Thanks!
With the owner calling this "all original", it would make me question anything he told me.
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I'm with Mike, appears to be a solid car and the price seems within reason providing the road test checks out.

As others have clearly pointed out, it is far from original. The mods have not detracted from the basic car. But that doesn't seem to be an issue for you and that's okay. Some get a little too carried away if it's not just the way Henry made it ��. If it's your car and you're happy with it, that's all that matters.

BTW, I like the visor.
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It all depends upon what pleases you. It may not be "original", but very few Model A's are "truly" original. I would take this car in a heartbeat if the mechanical's are OK. The fenders are easily painted black if that is what you would like. The interior is not original, but seems to be well done and very pleasant. I personally really like the '35 wheels. If I could find a car like that in Canada it would be mine.
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This is not going to be a points car. It's a fun to drive car. And like Mike said buy it!
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Interesting opinions for sure. Great advice from Mitch who listed a lot of the key mechanical concerns. I might ask myself these questions on this car (or any other Model A or collector car for that matter)

1) Do you anticipate touring a lot in it, I know you mention it as a "Sunday morning go to breakfast car" which is great, but do you see yourself joining a Model A club or maybe AACA and doing some distance runs? If so, some mods such as the V=8 wheels might be a positive. Research these a bit, this car has some of those touches but no way to tell about mechanics.

2) How big is your family? Sedans are handy - but if there are only say two of you, other body styles give you a little more choice when shopping.

3) What is your budget - IMHO, if it is just a little more, say $10K, you have a lot of choices if patient. Look at the coupe "Garagekulture" just listed, for example. I know I would opt for that car for another $2 grand more or less assuming both are in relatively good mechanical order.

4) I firmly believe cars at this level are not an investment, but plans change, etc. These are great prewar cars for new hobbyists in part because they are so popular. Take your time, if this is the first A you have looked at, think on it a bit before pulling the trigger. FWIW price is ok, but not a screaming deal. Consider resale. If it has been for sale for a while at $8K, then that tells you the market for this particular car at this time in your area. Just something to think about.

Just putting out some food for thought, oh, join MARC and/or MAFCA, you can find your local region for either national club online - if you place a call to them you might get lucky and either enlist help to see this car/others or learn of a club member's car that is available.

You mention being mechanically inclined, you will learn a lot about these cars in no time - they are a LOT of fun for the $$.
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Look in the gas tank fill with a flashlight for rust or other junk. Contaminated tanks in these are a PIA very important,,,
Make sure the engine oil is clear and not milky
See if it has shocks ,,, many cars are missing them ,,, that's a G right there
Look for a bad oil leak at the rear main area...
Steering with a lot of play like 2-4 inches or more could mean box or frt end issues....
Follow the hood alignment line down the cowl many of these cars have frame sag
Feel clutch for chatter
The brakes should stop the car quickly and the pedal should not go down to the floor on a panic stop...brake systems in these cars are expensive
Make sure all the doors close evenly and nicely
Maybe you can post pics under the hood from both sides when you are there and the undercarriage frt and rear
Ask if it's still positive 6 volt ground
Stock wiring in these are in looms and it shouldn't look like a birds nest / fire hazard
Make sure where the collumn mounts to the fuel tank that you don't see any fuel stains there..another PIA
See if they run antifreeze or water...

One last thing and I hope you don't think I'm a dick but I am giving you my personal opinion which may vary from others...
This car is not my cup of tea due to the fenders are not black and the body color is not appealing to me. The interior material is totally redone from the way these cars should look.. That being said yes anything can be fixed but I would rather spend a little more to get something more correct.
Good luck on your decision

Stating one's preference is not being a dick...
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If the poster had already purchased it, I would not have said anthything about how the cosmetic restoration appeals to me.. I don't think that would be appropriate

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That car will sell because of the paint,not in spite of it.Somebodys wife and kids will see the red wheels,whitewall tires,shiny paint,and dad will buy it because it makes the whole family happy.That car will be just as much fun with tan fenders as black,same with the wheels and visor.We can pick it apart all day long,but the bottom line with that car is it's pretty,and that will sell it.
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Keith it is really hard to argue with that logic. If OP ends up with it or someone else does I hope it is that kind of story.

Love that roadster, BTW.
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Here is a video on this subject. JACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xkA...rIa0r_fFQcz4R0
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Here is another example of the same year and model for comparison purposes, if for no other reason than to help OP learn more and compare apples to apples.

http://forums.aaca.org/topic/276198-...-a-town-sedan/

Different price range but it seemed like it made sense to post as this looks like a pretty "correct" car to me. (Note to self, consider selling some stuff to buy more Model As..)
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Price looks good for the car
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Great looking A for the money! Obviously as those far more educated than I have stated, it's definitely not original. But wow what a great car to take out for a cruise! If it's a solid car, you can enjoy it as is, or take it any direction you want. There seem to be many places to find parts for these cars, whether online, in a catalog, or at shows, etc.

My wife and I haven't started looking yet for one, but I wouldn't be opposed to a car like this. Especially for the price.
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Just judging by the pictures, someone spent a lot of money on it. In my neck of the woods you don't get much for 8K.
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Well, did the OP buy it
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Well, did the OP buy it
I just came back to this thread to find out. Still don't know.
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On the 28th you were going look "tomorrow." Today it the 30th, I am wondering did you get it? Personally I like to SW cars and if I ever had to start over that is what I'd do. I am not a purist but I'd have to do something about the color. Maybe even just paint the fenders black. I did a little photoshop work of what I'd do. Even I could make these changes without breaking the bank.
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On the 28th you were going look "tomorrow." Today it the 30th, I am wondering did you get it? Personally I like to SW cars and if I ever had to start over that is what I'd do. I am not a purist but I'd have to do something about the color. Maybe even just paint the fenders black. I did a little photoshop work of what I'd do. Even I could make these changes without breaking the bank.
Yep, that's better, but now it kind of looks like a Taxi.
I too am curious as to what the outcome was.
After driving it and eyeballing everything I would, being the cheap old man that I am, start my offer at 7K, but would come up to 8K if if the car checked out and the owner stood his ground.
8K for a running and sound '31 SW is a good buy...in my book.
Cosmetics can always be changed, but a good base is required.

And it's a Murray body to boot.
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Without close inspection for small details, it hard to know if it's built by Murray or Briggs, as they look identical. Ford wanted the slant sedans to look alike, and it's nice they chose the arched windows.
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OK all, time to end the suspense......

We're officially part of the family!!!

Sorry that I didn't post something up yesterday, but the 7-8 hour round trip turned into a 14 hour marathon thanks to a blown tire on the U-Haul trailer, but that's a whole 'nother story.

She's what most would call a solid "20-footer". An up close inspection reveals some cosmetic issues and a less than premier paint job - but I figure I'll probably have similar issues when I'm 85 years old so I can live with that. Mechanically, there are some things that need attention, but again, if she was perfect it would have been way out of my price range.

I haven't ever driven something of this vintage, so I wasn't sure what to expect. She's pretty rudimentary compared to everything I've ever driven - but what a blast! Toddles down the road at 40mph without a care (by cell phone GPS as speedo is not working). I would've wound her up a bit more, but not being familiar with the car I felt caution was prudent. Engine seems to run fine, though I'll need to get familiar with how to handle the manual spark advance and fuel mixture. Trans feel tight, as does the clutch. Brakes are fair, though a panic situation would be enough to cause concern. Steering has a bit of play, but again wiithout any real reference as to what's "normal" in these things it may just be a case of me getting used to it. The interior is really, really nice. Though obviously not stock, someone spent some coin having the interior redone. All the glass is good, and all of the lights work.

So there ya go. We have taken the plunge into a whole new world. Which is cool - I needed a hobby. I'm thinking this is a pretty good start for $6500.

I'll no doubt be bugging the hell out of all of you for info and tips as we get into the little things that need attention, and for that I'll thank you in advance. BTW - I believe it's a Murray body.

Which reminds me, my generator doesn't appear to be generatin'. Thoughts? Ah, don't worry about it yet. I'll surf the archives or start a new thread if I can't figure it out.

Let the journey begin. I'll post up some pics when I get a chance. And FWIW, the color is "Coral White" (there's some touch up included with the car) and it really does look better in person. For some reason it doesn't come through well in photos.

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OK, now we need lots of pictures.

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Congratulations and an even better price... Read through this owners manual if you have not already.. It will give you a good idea on basic operation..
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Thanks Mitch! Very cool stuff.
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Congratulations and welcome to the family!!!

We need photos of your new baby!
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$6500!!! Damn good job.
Don't let no one tell you different.
Your ahead of the game already.
Have fun and enjoy.

Zooming in best I can on the drip rail indicates to me she's a Murray, a closer examine may prove me wrong, or a better picture, but I'm pretty sure.
Mine is a Murray, so I'm kind of "slanted" towards them.
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Congratulations! Use your bartered money left over to do necessary repairs. Wait until the winter to do cosmetic stuff. Drive it all summer and have the time of your life. I have cars in my collection worth ten times as much as my Model A cars but the A's are still my favorite. Wayne.
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Very cool rocketdog, congrats on the new member of the family. Looks like you got a steal-of-a-deal!
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Congratulations on your "steal"! I really like the sun visor on the SW.

FWIW: Look what you could have had for $5K:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195351
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I can't believe you guys can pick up a car like that for $6,500. You'd have to use a kack hammer to take the smile off my face if it were mine at that price.
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Good for you ! ! ! You stole it, even if you put 1/2 that back into it. JMO
Try using the search function first, if no luck, ask away. Oh, we all like pictures.
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That looks like a fun car for you. One little piece of advice. MAKE SURE THE SPARK AVANCE LEVER IS ALL THE WAY UP WHEN STARTING.

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That is really a nice looking car. You can putt around in that and wave to all the people that like it and wished it was theirs. If you have any small children in the back seat make sure you seat belt the car seat in for safety.
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Easy way for pics:
Click the "blue post reply" lower left bottom of page, when text box opens, in the top middle of the bar you will see a "paperclip" click that, a window will open "manage attachments" click "choose file" then pick your picture, after you picked up to seven pics click the top "upload" on the right hand side of the text box, wait for it to upload.
You must type something, anything into the text box message, scroll down to see "preview post" at bottom of your text box, you should see your message as it will appear when you post, if you like it click "submit reply" to post.
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Thanks for the tutorial....I'll assume that's a hint?

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OK, after messing around with the pic size to get them to post, here's batch one of the new addition to the garage. The bricks are a precaution as our driveway is rather steep, and though the e-brake works, I still don't trust it just yet. I'm sure my neighbor across the street would love to own this car, I'm fairly certain he doesn't want it in his living room!
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Batch #2. If there is anything you'd like a specific pic of, just let me know and I'd be happy to make that happen.

I would've posted pics yesterday, but frankly we were too busy putting all over town in the sunshine and taking friends and family for a cruise. Exactly what we bought the car for in the first place. I'm going to need Synchro909's jack hammer myself.....

As far as the U-Haul trailer is concerned, I'll just say this for now - DON'T TRUST THAT THEY WILL HAVE THE TIRES PROPERLY INFLATED!!! Check them yourself prior to departure and avoid a serious problem.
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That's a nice car!
I wish you BIG FUN!!
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I always chock my wheel in the driveway which is not that steep... Never trust the e brake the teeth in the handle can slip and disengage. I sometimes carry a chock with me in the car or look for a rock if I leave it at home
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NICE!
Looks you could hold a dance in there compared to my coupe.
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You have a late 31 with the indented firewall, but the engine appears to be earlier with the higher oil return pipe, and the oil pan looks like it might have the plate on the bottom to remove the oil pump. That one picture was hard to make out exactly what was on the bottom.

When you get time, I'd ditch the rubber fuel line and use the original style steel line. The rubber can break down and plug the carb.

Looks like you made a good buy.

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Rocketdog, you done good! You may have posted your location earlier, but suggest you edit your profile to include city/state. Makes it easier for Model A guys to drop by to lend a hand if needed! Hopefully there's a local Model A club to investigate/join. Wonderful way to find some great new friends.

Good tip on the trailer - probably good advice for any "borrowed" transportation.

Enjoy that car!!
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Does that back seat have a center arm rest?
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Yes, it does have a fold down arm rest.

And 17" wheels. Any thoughts on what year those things came off of??
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yes, it does have a fold down arm rest.

And 17" wheels. Any thoughts on what year those things came off of??
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The fold down arm rest may have come from a 1930 or early 31, as the slants didn't have them. Wish they did because I also have a 31 slant sedan.
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I like your car. It is unique. I would not in any way be disappointed because it is not original. The interior is very nice and i like the visor. Even the color is not a negative since you are not a purist. I wouldn't change a thing at this time. The price is one of the best buys I've seen. Don't let anyone spoil your joy by criticizing your car.
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Thank you for the kind words. I'm not disappointed in any way by the fact that it's not as Henry built it. I understand the purist's point of view, and if that's what puts the grin on their face, then I think that's fantastic. Myself, I just enjoy putting around town in something that's been through 85 years of history, and watching people's eyes light up when we drive by. My in-laws, both in their 70's, were giddy as schoolkids when we piled them in and went for a cruise downtown. Unlike most of what's built today, these cars have personality and class - even if they're not 100% original.

I'm looking forward to puttering around with it, fixing what's busted, and making it "ours".

At least when I get stumped by something, I know where to turn.....
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Rocket, congratulations on bring home your new baby. I noticed a few things you may want to check on:

The carb is a TIllotson which is a good carb. But they are prone to warping (and leaking fuel) due to heat from the engine. To fix that sand the two halves lightly and that should fix the fuel leakage problem.

Also, is that a grease cup on the intake manifold? If you have a two blade fan have it checked VERY VERY carefully as they have the unfortunate tendancy to come apart and open up radiators, hoods and you head if you are standing next to it when it comes apart.

Great job though,

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$6500!!! Damn good job.
Don't let no one tell you different.
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Have fun and enjoy.
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Hell Yea, great buy at 6500!!!

Now get some books.

Start with the instruction manual, then Les Andrews red book, service bulletins in the 8 1/2 x 11 version.

While it is a driver and not a show car it would not hurt to get the Restoration Guidelines as well after all it is often as easy to replace a bad part with the "correct" one as it is to replace it with the "wrong" one. It could also be fun to see all the parts from different cars that were used to make yours.
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Congrats on negotiating a nice price and from the sounds of it you are able to enjoy immediately! Happy motoring!
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Keep in mind that you are going to be the service garage for what ever car you pick. Yes, you will need to have basic mechanical knowledge too maintain your car in safe and working order. Join a club and buy one that has a known history and has been well maintained and you will spare yourself alot of grief.
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Very nice looking car. While many might look down on the "customized approach," it appears to have been done with an eye towards beauty and there is no need to try to make it more original at this time.
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PLEASE replace the rubber fuel line with a stainless steel line. You can fabricate your own from 1/4" brake line or purchase the fuel line that goes with that late 1931 indented firewall & filter set up. It is available from MIKES A FORDABLE or maybe BRATTON'S from their catalog or web sites. You do not want rubber fuel line close to the nearly red hot exhaust manifold. I would think since the external filter was added, you might expect a dirty tank. Keep an eye on that filter and learn how to clean it. Maybe purchase a spare filter insert. I believe its from a 1957 ford fuel filter. Best of Luck with your beautiful new car !
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Thanks for the tip on the fuel line (you're the second person to mention that I believe). It'll be at the top of the "to-do" list for sure.

Being the "service department" for this car is actually one of the things I'm looking forward to. I usually turn my own wrench on all of my cars (unless it involves any of that computerized stuff), so I'm fairly confident I can handle anything this car may throw at me.
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I live in the county just outside Ferndale... we gotta hook up!
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Back In CB days we called that an "eyeball"
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Thanks for the tip on the fuel line (you're the second person to mention that I believe). It'll be at the top of the "to-do" list for sure.

Being the "service department" for this car is actually one of the things I'm looking forward to. I usually turn my own wrench on all of my cars (unless it involves any of that computerized stuff), so I'm fairly confident I can handle anything this car may throw at me.
The service is pretty much the same as a modern car but there a couple of things to watch for. Hope that others will add any that I missed:
1. Frequently there will be an cup for engine oil on the generator and distributer.
2. If you pump too much grease into the water pump it will end up in the cooling system. I like to use chassis grease but some recommend waterproof grease. The later, in my opinion, plugs up the radiator.
3. If you pump too much grease into the fitting on the underside of the rear axle housing it will end up on the brakes.
4. If you need to remove a rear brake drum spend the money and get a good puller (see archives). Axles are expensive.
5.Put a couple of drops of engine oil into the recesses on the throttle shaft as it passes behind the engine. The lubrication chart in my instruction book actually misses this lubrication point.
6. There is a lubrication chart in the "Instruction Book" that came with the car. If you don't have one, buy one. With all of the mechanical brake parts there is a ton of fittings.

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Cool! Thanks for the tips Charlie, I really appreciate it.

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Another B'Hammer I'll have to introduce you to.
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Hello, I am working on a 34 BB dump truck and am in need of front brake actuator arms , can you help me please. Thanks Kev
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:48 PM   #87
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Welcome to the barn. Depends on what you are looking for in a first model A. Lots of small changes on that one that may not make it the right choice for a high point car, but maybe a decent first A you might enjoy while making some changes, or not, again depending on your own goals. Basic car is a Murray bodied slant window sedan, a nice model. Paint, sealed beam headlights, nice but later wheels and interior all point to someone who wanted to personalize the car to their taste. Those can be tough to resell and usually won't sell for as much as a car closer to stock. I would look to see how it is mechanically, what's been done does look ok, maybe they handledon't mechanical side also.
This particular car may be a '31 but definitely not a slant window model.
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This particular car may be a '31 but definitely not a slant window model.
OK, looked at the latest photos, it is a slant but visor has to go.
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There is one thing I do to check to see if a car has been "loved" in its past . I check the front spring shackles ,there should be a gap of about 1/4" or thereabouts between the the bottom of the shackle and the axle . If the running gear of the car has been neglected the shackles and bushes can be so worn that the shackle is resting on the axle . This will mean that regular greasing has been neglected and there will be wear in the clevises ,brake cross shafts,wheel bearings etc etc . All an easy fix anyway . You STOLE THAT CAR !!! best ever family car and with that interior you can take Fido !!! ( wuff wuff )

For Kevin the BB front brake levers should be the same for AA the part number is BB -2084 was AA- 2084 which normally means they are the same .This is from an English parts book current for January 1935 . I think I have these in the "stores",I will check .

John in lovely sunny day Suffolk County England .

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Old 04-04-2018, 06:03 PM   #90
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Hello Rocketdog 1
Such an outpouring of great advice...NO. Great forum. I also like the car. Cant say you did not know what to look for. GOOD LUCK Dutie.
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Old 04-05-2018, 07:30 PM   #91
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Well, didja grab her??
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