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Old 08-15-2012, 11:06 PM   #21
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I've got a great Model A wife too!! We met in the local club. She still has her first car, a "31 coupe, bought with baby sitting money in high school. I'm the "fleet' mechanic for her two A's and my two A's plus "her" '68 Roadrunner, my '70 VW van. I help her with her other hobbies and she helps me with mine, when we're not doing "A" stuff together. LIFE IS GREAT!
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:46 PM   #22
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Just a minor update.

I have finished the layout for the buck to make the rear deck for this thing. Drawings will go to the water jet guy in the morning, I hope.

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Old 08-22-2012, 06:18 PM   #23
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Here is a few pics of current progress.
I am trying to bet some of the work done on this project before Ethan goes back to school. I try to work most of the day, as I got way behind with the Panel project, but late in the afternoon, we have been working on the speedster.

We have the steel vertical water jetted pieces installed and today we welded up the removeable horizontal supports.

The wood came back from the water jet guy this afternoon and we got the front radiator shroud buck assembled. It took both of us a total of 4 minutes to screw the pieces together. I love that water jet! The wood was .573 to .577" thick and I made the intersecting slots at .580" wide. They all slid together, and were screwed in place with no glue required, and it is removeable for changes if needed.

The rear tail section lower metal form needs to be changed to more closely match the shape of the wooden buck. It's contour was developed from the SolidWorks program, and I did a poor job of estimating the contour.

At this point, I expect to make all the panels below the horizontal supports to be bolted to the frame structure and most of the panels above the horizontal supports will be removeable with 'Dzus' fasteners that I had left over from working at Indy a number of years ago. I should have enough for this project.

This design is admittedly quite simple, but it is my first attempt at an entire project that is from scratch, as opposed to doing repair and restoration work that I have been accustomed to. I have not worked with aluminum body panels before and that is the primary reason for this first effort.


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Old 08-22-2012, 06:25 PM   #24
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Will, I am not familiar with 'water jetting' is it some sort of cutting device?
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:43 PM   #25
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Good evening Bick.

It is like a tracer torch or an fast oxy-acetylene torch.

It is a VERY high pressure water flow thu a small nozzle and is accompanied by fine grains of sand and / or other material / abrasive. The thing that I like the most about it is the fact that it has a very narrow 'curf' angle that can result a very small differance in tolerance from the top of a part to the bottom. It is not so important for sheet metal parts, but for thicker parts this can be quite an advantage.

The convenient thing for me is that I really like to make drawings and once a drawing is made in a CAD type program, the drawing can be saved as a .dxf (or similar) file extension and emailed to the water jet 'guy' and he can put that file directly into the water jet software program, and it will 'spit out' a part very quickly.

The water jet can cut out many different types of material with VERY close accuracy, and there is MINIMAL rework or modifications to do once the part has been cut. I was able to get the holes for the wood screws water jetted in place, c so that all we had to do was countersink for the wood screw and fasten them in place.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:19 PM   #26
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Wow, great project. Im keen to do an A Speedster someday, and your "inline" style is a different approach. I like it, and look forward to watching your build.
Ive also been keen on the water jet for making parts, but not sure if anyone down here has one. Ive seen them on some of those silly car and bike building shows, with impressive results.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:13 PM   #27
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We got the rear buck pieces together and used the base of it to fit the rear frame structure components. We could form the bottom 'rails' around the outer edge of the wood because the aluminum panel with have a step/character line when it gets to that point, but the upper structure will have to match the contour of the wood, so it was fitted below the wood panel so that it will have the same shape.

This buck was a little more involved with the offset joints, so it took longer to assemble than the front. This rear buck took Ethan and I a little more than 20 minutes to assemble, including the wood screws. These pieces fit so closely that glue is not needed. The tapering of the edges, etc, is going to take some additional time to do. I can see that coming.

This is my first attempt at building bucks, (other than the Model A fenderwell) so am still learning 'stuff'. The lateral metal supports hold the contours untill the panels are in place.

The aluminum 'firewall' was also cut on the waterjet. We added a 'joggle' around the perimeter and cut the hole for the steering column and used the Rotex punch to put holes around the edges.

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I got home from work yesterday and found a note on the fridge from my wife. She wrote "This is not working. I'll be staying at my Mom"s." I opened the door and the light came on. The beer was cold. I'm not sure what she's talking about. Anybody have any ideas?
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I got home from work yesterday and found a note on the fridge from my wife. She wrote "This is not working. I'll be staying at my Mom"s." I opened the door and the light came on. The beer was cold. I'm not sure what she's talking about. Anybody have any ideas?
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:51 PM   #30
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Will, I went and did some bench racing with a fellow you might know from days gone by. I stopped in at Precision Performance Products Company (PPPC) in Arden,NC just up from Banjo's old shop. Figure it out? Leo Jackson. Nice guy, just like all the NASCAR people I have ever met.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:42 PM   #31
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Leo and his brother Richard always had nice 'stuff', fast motors and clean equipment. I bought things from them on occassion. My memories are that they were both great guys.
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Old 08-26-2012, 06:19 PM   #32
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Weekend work on speedster went well. The wife and a friend from Charlotte came down and we spent some time in the shop working on the firewall and the headlight buckets.

The headlights and assorted exterior items are scheduled to be copper plated. Currently looking for period tail lights that will be stand alone mounted at rear of frame rails. Probably will make the grill front guard copper plated as well.

Firewall was cut at the water jet guys place, pe-fit to the firewall bulkhead, beads were run with Stan Fulton made dies and installed with the help of the talented wife, with #10 cad plated carriage type bolts that look like rivets. Rivets were scuttled when I realized how many times I may have to remove to re-fit the panels.


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Old 09-19-2012, 06:19 PM   #34
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I have just gotten the wood pieces for the gas tank buck back from the waterjet guy and have started on building the gas tank. It will be made from .100 #3003H14 aluminum. Probably welded with #1100 filler rod.

This buck is much simpler than the other two that I just finished for the nose and the tail. I am making the tank in two external pieces and four internal pieces (baffles). The outside will be made of the front, bottom and rear in one "U" shaped piece and the LS, top and RS piece also in a "U" shape, but turned 90 degrees to the other. I have radiused the edges of the buck at the welding 'seam' so that the seam joints will be butt welded rather that corner welded.

The inside has inter-locking baffles with pass-thru holes at the bottom for levelizing the gas content. The filler nozzle and the gas gauge will go in the center forward 'cubicle', and the gas will exit the tank at the right front corner thru a large OD aluminum welding bung with 3/8" NPT threads.

The tank is mounted at the rear of the car just under the rear body panel, and the gas will be gravity fed just like the original Model A setup, with the fuel line going to the front firewall, then to the sediment bowl and then to the two updraft carburetors.


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Been away at a metal shaping gathering and got some work done on the aluminum body work. These are some picture of the progress on the upper tail section panel. It still needs to be welded together and then have the finish work done. Been busy getting ready for Hershey

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Additional pics of work done on nose buck panels.

OOPS!, forgot to attach pictures,
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Here are pics on nose panels.
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Maybe, this time.

First picture is of an Eckhold Piccolo machine that was used to 'tip' shrink the corners inward onto themselves.

No slip rolls were available, so I inserted a go-cart tire into the upper holder of a smaller english wheel and rolled the sides and corners with it, then smoothed the curves in a larger, more rigid english wheel.

As with the rear body panels, the parts still have to be welded together and metal finished.

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Old 09-29-2012, 04:28 PM   #39
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Looking Good Will!
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:46 PM   #40
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Fantastic work Will, keep'm coming, it is great to see the progress you are making.
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