1936 Model 51 Dump - GVWR - Commercial Reg. Issues

[skidmarks]

And i was told, once you get the red dye in large truck with 100 gallon or larger tanks it takes over 300 gallon of clear fuel to be run throught before it clears up

[Vintage Copper 47]

Originally Posted by LFEngineering

I was hoping the antique status / plates would be the loophole, but according to the "helpful" people at the DMV, it does not. That's where I hope my insurance guy can dig a little deeper and find someone more knowledgeable than the girl at the front desk.

The only other issue I have doing the single wheel is the truck must still have a GVWR of less than 10,001 lb. Unfortunately I have no record of this. The only info I could find mentioning any sort of GVW was a forum post with the attached images. Listed under the 131.5 dump body with 6.50-20 tires (which mine is equipped) the GVW is 8949. If this could be confirmed, it's my loophole.

You can always take it to the scales.. weigh it precisely

[VeryTangled]

Here is our Original Poster's vehicle. I like it!

[Yoyodyne]

I think the super singles would be a great solution! If you want to go with historic/antique plates and have difficulty contact the ATHS club, they have gotten concessions from states to allow semi's to travel on antique plates and w/o logbooks and permits.

[VeryTangled]

Originally Posted by Vintage Copper 47

You can always take it to the scales.. weigh it precisely

Nice idea, and I'm really not trying to be a pain here, but Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, is a 'do not exceed' limit, a value assigned by the manufacturer, at least on modern vehicles.

(The license plate authority certainly uses this weight rating value in their fee scale. I assume that is why the question was asked.)

Not the same as the actual weight when you pull the truck onto a scale.

The more I think, did a vehicle like this come with a rating like GVWR or GAWR? Someone must have put a number limit on the load. Might be not Ford but the folks that did the dump bed? Curious.

I like the suggestion of consulting the American Truck Historical Society guys... https://www.aths.org/

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Here is a another gvw list from the Truck ownwers manual for 36.

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Attached.

[Newc]

Hi all; 4 trucks here with 'duals' all have 'antique vehicle ' plates, One is a WW2 6 by 2 1/2 ton military.It weighs 16,500 lbs empty, No problems.... However as the trucks are always empty I could just remove the outer tires and run them that way if necessary. The avatar uses super singles. Newc in Oregon

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by LFEngineering

I was hoping the antique status / plates would be the loophole, but according to the "helpful" people at the DMV, it does not. That's where I hope my insurance guy can dig a little deeper and find someone more knowledgeable than the girl at the front desk.

The only other issue I have doing the single wheel is the truck must still have a GVWR of less than 10,001 lb. Unfortunately I have no record of this. The only info I could find mentioning any sort of GVW was a forum post with the attached images. Listed under the 131.5 dump body with 6.50-20 tires (which mine is equipped) the GVW is 8949. If this could be confirmed, it's my loophole.

Quite a lot depends of how you want to use the vehicle. If you want regular plate, that is non antique vehicle plate, they assume you want to use it as an every day vehicle. If you plan to use it solely for use in exhibitions, clubactivities, parades, and other functions of public interest then you can get an an Antique Motor Vehicle Plate.

This is from the Mass application for an antique motor vehicle plate application;
"An "antique motor car" is any motor vehicle over twenty-five years old which is maintained solely for use in exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest. This includes test drives to prepare for such functions and transportation to and from repair facilities,and not used primarily for the transportation of passengers or goods over any way."

https://www.massrmv.com/Portals/30/docs/20132.pdf

As you can see you can get away without registration as a commercial vehicle depending on how you want to use it.

[LFEngineering]

I got motivated this past weekend and pulled 2 of the rear tires. After that I was able to get the truck to pass regular car inspection. This means I can use it as a daily-driver and haul whatever I want. Next step will be sourcing / building the super singles for the rear.

[VeryTangled]

Hi Everyone, LFE, I'd say put the dualies back on and do as you like, but there is the issue of that local cherrytop that is on the lookout. Maybe let him drive it for a while? Just thinking here.

[Kerk]

have the Dealer sales book on Trucks for 1935. 36 would no doubt be the same! On pages 99 thru 101 all load specs are listed. Probably that might help with your problem. kerk

[Steve in Denver]

Just curious, what vehicle has 5 tires on the ground? A Morgan with Duelies on the back?

[tubman]

Originally Posted by Steve Kennedy

Just curious, what vehicle has 5 tires on the ground? A Morgan with Duelies on the back?

The only thing I can think of is one of the "buckboard" style cycle cars popular in the teens and twenties with a fifth "power wheel" on the back.

[50fordcoupeman]

Oregon also adds red dye only to diesel fuel for off-road use. Less tax on it but don't get caught using it in your highway vehicle-farm or construction use only. Remember DMV is here to help........................

[LFEngineering]

I ended up going with Opiton B. Custom super singles: https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262349

[modeleh]

After reading this I couldn’t help but wonder if they consider Motorhomes as commercial vehicles. Most all are duallys and some are tag axles. There must be a loophole for RVs. Maybe you could keep a portapotti in the back of your truck and when the cop asks for your commercial registration you could tell him that’s where he’ll find it.

[cas3]

a few years ago the cops here went to the high school and ticketed the kids who drove pickups with farm plates on them. to them, going to school is not farm related. there was quite an uproar about it, and i've not heard of them doing it again. anything for easy money it seems.

[1ton]

Back to the original question....If Roger Penske were to interpret this rule he probably would put a smaller tire on the inside duals so they are not "on the ground"

[trulyvintage]

Originally Posted by LFEngineering

I got motivated this past weekend and pulled 2 of the rear tires.

There is your solution.

If you are not loading the bed - drive it like that.

Problem solved.


Jim