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Old 09-18-2018, 07:45 PM   #21
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I have never owned an Edsel, But in 1958 as a 15 year old kid, who just got his license, I got to drive a new 58 Edsel Corsair or Citation convertible in the Homecoming parade with 5 really cute older girls. I can't remember which one. Corsair, I'm guessing
I thought that it was a really cool car that would smoke the tires in an instant.
It didn't have a Continental Kit on it, but it had a 410 cubic inch engine.
I really liked the gear selector in the steering wheel. I heard these were somewhat problematic later on.
The dealer had loaned 5 Edsels to the school for this parade.
What a great evening.
I just knew you all wanted to know this??? LOL
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Looks like gutters in a bowling alley.
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Regarding kahuna's comments of his experience as a new driver, the convertible would have the top of the line Citation, as there was no convertibles available in the Corsair series. Both the Citation and Corsair models were built on the long wheelbase. There was also a Pacer Convertible available on the short wheelbase Edsels. The E-475 engine displacing 410 cubic inches was only available on the Citation and Corsair models. The E-400 of 361 cubic inches was used in the smaller Pacer and Ranger models, as well as the station wagons. So the parade car would have been a Citation.
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Thanks
Why was the big engine only available for the 1958 year?
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Probably because the big engine was only availiable in the big car.


That large series Edsel was dropped for the 1959 model year.


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1958 EDSEL CITATION and CORSAIR Assembled on MERCURY PLATFORM (410 MEL Powered)


1958 EDSEL PACER and RANGER Assembled on FORD PLATFORM (361 FE Powered)


The MERC Platform Was Dropped From EDSEL 1959
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Did you know that even the wheels are different Bolt Patterns. The Big Edsel has the Mercury Bolt Pattern, while the small Edsel has the Ford Bolt Pattern. How confusing is that??
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A easy way to differentiate a FORD EDSEL fromm a MERC EDSEL is the roof-line-






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The tail lights and rear bumpers were different between the two series. TI have a feeling the trunk lid was different too.
I'm curious now how different the two series were.
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KULTULZ mentioned the two different Roof Lines which is absolutely true, as no Glass is interchangeable between these two series. That is not the only difference between these two different wheelbase 1958 Edsels. Check out the front Fenders. The salmon coloured car is a Pacer built on the Ford Platform, while the Bronze 58 Edsel is a Citation built on the Mercury Platform. Notice the bulge starting at the headlight continuing into the door of the Citation. That means that even the Doors are not interchangeable between these two series. How complicated is that? No wonder Ford lost money on the Edsel Program.
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As Herman Munster pointed out, even the Tail Lights and rear Bumpers are different between these two series. He was unsure about the Trunk Lid but I can assure him that the Trunk Lids are indeed different. Take a look at these pictures. It is deeper on the Citation model. It is just a pity that the rear Bumper was not fitted on this Citation. Both cars pictured are Two Door Hardtops. Notice the completely different roof lines. The Tail Lights may look the same, but I have been advised that they are slightly different, however, the wrong model Tail Lights can be adapted with a bit of manipulation.
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I think I'll want an 58 Edsel some day. I remember back in the 70's you could get one for $100 anytime. No one really wanted them at the time. My dad talked me out of them because "you can't get parts for them" and they "didn't share anything with any other Ford product."
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KULTULZ mentioned the two different Roof Lines which is absolutely true, as no Glass is interchangeable between these two series. That is not the only difference between these two different wheelbase 1958 Edsels. Check out the front Fenders. The salmon coloured car is a Pacer built on the Ford Platform, while the Bronze 58 Edsel is a Citation built on the Mercury Platform. Notice the bulge starting at the headlight continuing into the door of the Citation. That means that even the Doors are not interchangeable between these two series. How complicated is that? No wonder Ford lost money on the Edsel Program.






As Herman Munster pointed out, even the Tail Lights and rear Bumpers are different between these two series. He was unsure about the Trunk Lid but I can assure him that the Trunk Lids are indeed different. Take a look at these pictures. It is deeper on the Citation model.









You know, years back I did a study of EDSEL and wondered about body width as the MERC was wider. And without a period correct PARTS MANUAL, you cannot verify much.

Now I know how FORD ENGINEERING handled the size difference(s).

Look @ the width difference on the rear body panel with regards to BU Lamp placement.

THANX! ...
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I have never owned an Edsel, But in 1958 as a 15 year old kid, who just got his license, I got to drive a new 58 Edsel Corsair or Citation convertible in the Homecoming parade with 5 really cute older girls.

I just knew you all wanted to know this??? LOL

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I really enjoyed the part about five really cute girls!

Remember the days before tattoos, body piercings, orange/purple hair and/or hobnail boots?

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I just flipped through my Edsel parts catalog and there are a lot of differences between the two series. The models have an "A,B,C,D" reference that you need to use for what part numbers pertain to which model. The Rangers and Pacers are A and B and the Corsairs and Citations are C and D. Even the patent plates are different. The Canadian Edsels had a different plate than the US Edsels but used the same one for all the series. The only difference was the model code. "9" Rangers and Pacers and "O" Corsairs and Citations.
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I just flipped through my Edsel parts catalog and there are a lot of differences between the two series. The models have an "A,B,C,D" reference that you need to use for what part numbers pertain to which model. The Rangers and Pacers are A and B and the Corsairs and Citations are C and D. Even the patent plates are different.

The Canadian Edsels had a different plate than the US Edsels but used the same one for all the series. The only difference was the model code. "9" Rangers and Pacers and "O" Corsairs and Citations.
I found some copies years ago but couldn't justify the money then. I wish I had now.
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I guess I got lucky with my books. I'm still on the look out for a 60 book only so I can complete my set.
You're welcome to ask for any info I can provide on 58's and 59's.
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About the only body panels left are the hood and deck lid. Imagine they were different between the two versions of '58 Edsels too. Maybe not.


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I guess I got lucky with my books. I'm still on the look out for a 60 book only so I can complete my set.

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About the only body panels left are the hood and deck lid. Imagine they were different between the two versions of '58 Edsels too. Maybe not.

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Herman, THANX for the assistance. Regarding Sal's inquiry, the Basic PN on a hood is 16612 and a deck-lid 40110. If you could see if they were the same or different.

On a personal note ... ... I am curious about the 1958 hub cap PN (Basic 1130). Not the wheel cover but the center cap. PN and any description please. FORD was WHITE but I have seen GOLD paint color and was just wondering.
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Hoods are unique to specific series.


B8E 16612-A for the C and D series (Merc platform)


B8E 16612-B for the A and B series (Ford platform)


Full wheel cover part# PB9E 1130-A


Smaller hub cap (dawg dish) part# B8E 1130-A


I believe the fancy one you are looking for is listed under group 18302


18302 "Kit (Wheel Cover Applique)"


B8E 18302-A Consists of


(4) KD-1211-AP ring-wheel trim
(4) KC-3751-A applique wheel cover(
12) 350057-S8 screw & washer No. 10-24 X 7/16


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