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Old 10-05-2015, 06:59 PM   #1
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The VIN that is on the title for my pickup appears to be from the frame since it doesn't match what is stamped on the engine and the engine hasn't been changed from when it was originally registered by my grandpa in the 1950s. From reading around, it looks like I would have to remove the cab to gain access to view the stamping on the frame. When I went in today to transfer the title, the clerk said that I need a VIN inspection to prove the truck and title match. Has anyone dealt with this? I am not sure what the best thing to do here is since I don't want to have to remove the entire cab while I am at the title bureau to show the stamping... Thanks.
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Here in Iowa, they need to see the number that is stamped on the frame on the left rail just behind the body bolt holes bracket.

When I had them look at my first Model A that had no title, they weren't interested in the engine number. I think they realize that engines were commonly changed over the years.

Maybe you could jack the body up enough where the Inspector could verify the Number. At least you have a title that matches the number on the frame, but they still have to verify.

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Ask if they can send someone out to your house while the body is raised. If that doesn't work ask which police agencies are authorized to do an inspection and contact them. Next look into automobile title companies that do this type of work. All states are different.

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Here in Iowa, they need to see the number that is stamped on the frame on the left rail just behind the body bolt holes bracket.

When I had them look at my first Model A that had no title, they weren't interested in the engine number. I think they realize that engines were commonly changed over the years.

Maybe you could jack the body up enough where the Inspector could verify the Number. At least you have a title that matches the number on the frame, but they still have to verify.

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Larry, thanks for the reply. I looked up the number stamped on the engine and it starts with an "RF" which it appears to mean it is a replacement motor from the Richmond plant. Is it easy enough to pull up the cab just enough to see the number without having to disassemble a ton of stuff? Like loosen up some of the bolts that attach the body to the frame and jack it up or pull it up?

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Ask if they can send someone out to your house while the body is raised. If that doesn't work ask which police agencies are authorized to do an inspection and contact them. All states are different.

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I asked if someone can come to my house to do it and the answer was no. I can take it to most car dealerships or the title bureau/DMV.
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I asked if someone can come to my house to do it and the answer was no. I can take it to most car dealerships or the title bureau/DMV.
Charlie has a great idea. Ask about the Police Inspection.

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Do you have another DMV office close by where you live? I know here in Oregon it depends on which office you go to because all of them do not do things the same. Going to another office may get the job done.
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Do you have another DMV office close by where you live? I know here in Oregon it depends on which office you go to because all of them do not do things the same. Going to another office may get the job done.

That's a good idea. I might give that a shot. If that doesn't work and showing the registrations from all the previous years doesn't work either, I might just leave it registered in California.


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That's a good idea. I might give that a shot. If that doesn't work and showing the registrations from all the previous years doesn't work either, I might just leave it registered in California.


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In California they have a form that can be filled out by a peace officer. I had a CHP officer come by and look at the number and sign off on the form. I would check with your DMV and see if they have a similar form. Also, the suggestion that you try a different DMV office is a good one. I got two different stories when I went register my YOM plates.
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We don't have titles for cars so this might be way off but why don't you stamp the number they want to see on the chassis somewhere where they can see it?
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Leave it registered in Cali- Ohio is a nightmare with the whole process.
The only state more difficult then OH is Ne
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We don't have titles for cars so this might be way off but why don't you stamp the number they want to see on the chassis somewhere where they can see it?
Yeh, here in Oz, it is not as strict, all the pencil pushers want to see is any number.

I guessed my last 2 chassis numbers and the funny thing is, I have never bothered to even stamp them anywhere....I just told them what number was under body ......sssh don't tell anyone.
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In California they have a form that can be filled out by a peace officer. I had a CHP officer come by and look at the number and sign off on the form. I would check with your DMV and see if they have a similar form. Also, the suggestion that you try a different DMV office is a good one. I got two different stories when I went register my YOM plates.
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Ed, this is how the VIN was verified when my grandpa registered it after it sat for a while. This is the same engine that has been in it since he got it in the 1950s, so I am not sure what exactly they checked, and neither is he. Maybe they just saw he had all the old registrations?


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Leave it registered in Cali- Ohio is a nightmare with the whole process.
The only state more difficult then OH is Ne

This option is seemingly more and more likely. I might just register it out there next time I'm back home.


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FWIW, The chassis number on our '31 CCPU is under the front fender, right beside the steering box. There is now a chunk of fender missing so the number can be seen at any time.
I had a problem w/US customs when I was exporting the truck to Canada. They insisted to see the number. Went back to the seller's residence and located the number, cut the piece of fender out, went back to customs and they had changed shift. The officer looked at all the paperwork and said "go". I said " don't you want to look at and verify the number"? He said "No. I'll take your word for it".
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FWIW, The chassis number on our '31 CCPU is under the front fender, right beside the steering box. There is now a chunk of fender missing so the number can be seen at any time.
I had a problem w/US customs when I was exporting the truck to Canada. They insisted to see the number. Went back to the seller's residence and located the number, cut the piece of fender out, went back to customs and they had changed shift. The officer looked at all the paperwork and said "go". I said " don't you want to look at and verify the number"? He said "No. I'll take your word for it".
Somebody probably restamped a number there because it should be farther
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I had a tag made up that says "vin number" on it and I fixed it to the fire wall under the hood. I did this because I changed the engine in the coupe and that engine number was the vin number on the title. I am hoping that the next time I change the title, if I do, that tag will work. May have to go to a couple different DMV offices.
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I had a tag made up that says "vin number" on it and I fixed it to the fire wall under the hood. I did this because I changed the engine in the coupe and that engine number was the vin number on the title. I am hoping that the next time I change the title, if I do, that tag will work. May have to go to a couple different DMV offices.
I hate to make after the fact suggestions but you would probably been better off having the DMV attach one of their tags to the door jam while the original engine was still in the car. This is what they do in California and I assume Oregon is the same.

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I had a tag made up that says "vin number" on it and I fixed it to the fire wall under the hood. I did this because I changed the engine in the coupe and that engine number was the vin number on the title. I am hoping that the next time I change the title, if I do, that tag will work. May have to go to a couple different DMV offices.
I am sure that is what I am going to have to do when I get my new engine. Do you have a picture showing how you did this?
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I am sure that is what I am going to have to do when I get my new engine. Do you have a picture showing how you did this?
Following Fred's path in my opinion will probably get you in trouble in the long run. Call your states DMV, they will probably install a VIN tag on the door jamb. Just be sure to do it before you remove the engine with the serial number that matches the paperwork.

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I had a tag made up that says "vin number" on it and I fixed it to the fire wall under the hood. I did this because I changed the engine in the coupe and that engine number was the vin number on the title. I am hoping that the next time I change the title, if I do, that tag will work. May have to go to a couple different DMV offices.
Fred the Oregon State Police (OSP) will issue a tag and put it in your door jam. I'm not sure they even charge for it. I went over to the OSP office and requested it. I was told to go to the DMV and they will make the appointment for me.
They even offered me the Troopers phone number as I protested going to the DMV to do what we could do at the OSP office.

Once you are tagged the engine et.al doesn't matter.
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Having have to learn some of the OHIO code myself.. (Don't asK Here's OHIO law on VIN


Chapter 4501:1-11 Replacement of Vehicle Identification

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You might consider lifting the body and removing the LH splash apron before the inspection to avoid any surprises. Good to know what they are going to find at the inspection!! Henry said history is bunk.
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The number is stamped on the floor rail on the drivers side of my '31 SW town sedan.
That may be a good place to "re-stamp" your number.
Just pull back the carpeting to show them.
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Here in co. They have emissions testing business's that also verify vin for a small fee.[$20] that's what i did 2 months ago, as they [dmv] wouldn't accept the existing titles from ca.good luck, pcup
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I am just trying to avoid having to pull the body off. The last thing I want to have is have issues with stubborn bolts and finally et it off to find that the number on there still doesn't match.


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Chapter 4501:1-11 Replacement of Vehicle Identification

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Fred the Oregon State Police (OSP) will issue a tag and put it in your door jam. I'm not sure they even charge for it. I went over to the OSP office and requested it. I was told to go to the DMV and they will make the appointment for me.
They even offered me the Troopers phone number as I protested going to the DMV to do what we could do at the OSP office.

Once you are tagged the engine et.al doesn't matter.
Yes maybe I should have had the DMV put a tag on the door jam of my coupe. They did do that on my huckster when I got it registered. But the huckster was a "build" from an old CCPU.

If I have to, guess I could haul the old engine in with the rig and show them both. But on the other hand, if I keep the coupe long enough, then I can let my kids worry about getting a "certified" title.
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Good news guys! Turns out the original VIN is on the spare motor. I will have to figure out if a picture of if is sufficient for the DMV or what, but problem solved (theoretically). Thanks for the help guys. I'll update when I get it registered.


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Good news guys! Turns out the original VIN is on the spare motor. I will have to figure out if a picture of if is sufficient for the DMV or what, but problem solved (theoretically). Thanks for the help guys. I'll update when I get it registered.


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I pressed a piece of white paper into the number, then used a pencil to make a pencil etching of the number. This satisfied the DMV in my state. I took a picture as well just to be safe.
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I pressed a piece of white paper into the number, then used a pencil to make a pencil etching of the number. This satisfied the DMV in my state. I took a picture as well just to be safe.

Thanks Tom. I will call the dmv today and ask if that will work. The etching might be a good way to prove I actually have the engine in my possession.


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Couldn't you just use a flappy sander on you're angle grinder to grind off the wrong number, restamp the correct number on the engine, and repaint the area Ford green?
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I suppose I could. I should be fine now since I have the engine with the correct VIN.


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I have a 31 RPU in California...just finished with DMV and highway patrol. I ended up "lifting the body enough to access the frame #. Mine was rusted away too far to reuse. The highway patrol officer added a Reg. number tag on the frame crossover just behind the battery for easy future access. can't be seen without removing the battery access floorboard plate.
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Couldn't you just use a flappy sander on you're angle grinder to grind off the wrong number, restamp the correct number on the engine, and repaint the area Ford green?
Illegal, but it's done all the time.
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JMO< but the DMV tag lowers the value of the vehicle.
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I would personally want to know what the frame s/n is on any vehicle I own, or want to own.
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every state is different...what works in PA might not fly in IL or TN, CA, etc.
you need to read your state's requirements and follow them, anything else is just someone's personal experience with their particular local DMV office, and probably has no bearing on what you are trying to deal with.
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With so many states requirements being different I believe the only way to be covered across the U.S is to be titled with a frame VIN. A far as I know a VIN inspecters certificate is good in all states regardless of the state of origin. I strongly urge any one that has a body off and has a valid VIN number in view get an inspecter cert. regardless if it is the same as the motor number or not - no more sleepless nights thinking about the future. Matching frame and engine numbers are a $ plus IMO.

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Old 10-18-2015, 01:46 PM   #44
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I would personally want to know what the frame s/n is on any vehicle I own, or want to own.
Eventually I believe all problems have to be faced.
But, evidentlly I am unique.
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I advise to take the route that gets you the legal paperwork, whatever that may entail. I pulled my body to get the correct number and found they had been registering it with an incorrect number, one number missing. Got a title with the correct number now. When you realize that you won't live forever and laws are only getting more stringent, you understand you will leave a huge mess for those who come after you if this is not taken care of now. It will be a huge headache for you or your family to sell in the future if you have issues later. Just my humble opinion.

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Old 10-18-2015, 02:13 PM   #45
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What I think is all 50 states should get together and establish a system for new VINs for those cars old enough that do not have it... Otherwise this problem will go on and on and on....
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Old 10-21-2015, 12:39 PM   #46
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search.....no numbers now what.....your answer is probably there
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