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Old 02-14-2014, 12:23 PM   #1
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Hi all!

I finally found a material spacer to my carb.

Do anybody know where to get the accurate drawing of the cab base?

I know that I can do it manually but I want to know if I can do it precisely.

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Old 02-14-2014, 01:35 PM   #2
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I measure with a digital caliper. I print it out and compare the print to the part and adjust as required.
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why not use a stock gasket for the pattern???????
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This is just an idea - but you might want to leave a generous radius around the bolt holes - So there is a little extra "meat" to resist crushing.

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Old 02-14-2014, 02:46 PM   #5
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Measure the carb base bolt centers and plot it out.
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:11 PM   #6
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Hi all!

Today I did some samples. I draw the holes of the carb base in AutoCad and printed in scale 1:1. Then I glued the paper on a piece of wood and did the holes with a hole saw of 1 1/4". The bolt holes are 3/8".

Can anybody tell me if the measures of the holes are correct?
I attach some pics of what I have done until now before doing it on the phenolic.
Tell me what do you think. Thanks for reading this post.

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Hary, I would glue a thin spacer between the phenolic and the gasket, then use a router with a bearing to follow the gasket. Importantly, use a large drill bit to rough cut the holes previous to the final cut to prevent the router bit from grabbing the phenolic.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:07 PM   #8
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Tell me what you think.
I think you are doing a great job. However; the 1 1/4 " holes will be too large. This will ruin the ventury effect between the base/butterfly holes. They need to be the exact diameter as the carb base/intake holes. They must not have an opening between them !
Keep up the good work. You are on the right tract.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:41 PM   #9
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Are you making this for a heat dam between the carb and manifold. If so, check this out www.coolcarb.com
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Hary, I would glue a thin spacer between the phenolic and the gasket, then use a router with a bearing to follow the gasket. Importantly, use a large drill bit to rough cut the holes previous to the final cut to prevent the router bit from grabbing the phenolic.

Alan,

I found a guy who has a big router and can do the exact shape but he needs the exact measures (cad drawing). I am doing this because I can not buy product from abroad (new rules in Argentina )
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Tell me what you think.
I think you are doing a great job. However; the 1 1/4 " holes will be too large. This will ruin the ventury effect between the base/butterfly holes. They need to be the exact diameter as the carb base/intake holes. They must not have an opening between them !
Keep up the good work. You are on the right tract.
Do you know what is the exact measure then?
Thanks,

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Are you making this for a heat dam between the carb and manifold. If so, check this out www.coolcarb.com
I saw the link you mentioned and it is very interesting.
I am doing this in order to isolate the heat from the engine. I notice that new carbs do not use iron bases and the use the same material for the base and the carb. If I use the "coolcarb", will it work the same for the carb 94?

I want to thank you all for your time in posting. This helps me a lot.

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Hary, your man with the router apparently doesn't own an ordinary table router if he needs a cad drawing. Tell him to just use a bit with a bearing to follow the gasket, or better yet, the base of the carburetor. If he can't figure out how to do that, he isn't much of a machinist and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near your car.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:17 PM   #14
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Ford38v8!

We have a problem nowadays people seem not like to think or work. I have a great problem in meeting people who want help me with my old car. I do not know there but here sometimes I must beg although I pay (not cheap)for it.

Thanks to Fordbarn I could fix many things in my old car.

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Hary, Yes, I understand your dillemma regarding work ethics today, as that issue does seem to be universal to some extent. Here's an idea that should help with all your old car issues, and be enjoyable to you as well: The Early Ford V8 Club is a world wide organization, and has a number of members in Argentina, and I'm sure there are also other antique car clubs there as well. Join the club, you'll recieve your roster of members, and look up those members local to you. Mutual interests and mutual assistance and friendship is exactly what a club is all about, you don't have to go it alone. Just as you've found here on the Fordbarn, you'll find poeple local to you who enjoy helping a fellow car enthusiast.
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Alan,

I found a guy who has a big router and can do the exact shape but he needs the exact measures (cad drawing). I am doing this because I can not buy product from abroad (new rules in Argentina )
I wondered why you were being so persistent about making this yourself, but I guess new rule in Argentina explains why. What if someone here ordered this part from say Cool Carb and then mailed it to you. Would that break their rules?
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Not sure if this will work for you or not. Just as an FYI if you block off the heat risers with little pieces of sheet steel, you will be amazed how much cooler the carburetor is. It took care of my "vapor lock" situation. They are easy to remove if you don't like them. Just a thought.
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This isn't rocket science!
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This isn't rocket science!
No, you are absolutely correct. It's a conversation among gentlemen. You may go out and play with your rockets now.
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:34 PM   #20
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Hi all!

jajaja! Yes, it is rocket science!!! look what I did today. "a small step for human, a big step for humanity"

Well, I have just finished the cad drawing I attach a pic.

Dear Ford38v8!

I have been in Ford V8 Club because the mechanic that used to repair my car was the Club President´s son. This mechanic did run my car during 10 years with 7 PSI fuel pressure, so during 10 years I have been wasting fuel. So when I meet Fordbarn and other websites I realised that many things in my car were wrong. I told this to the mechanic and he told me I was wrong and not to touch my car.
Think about this, what would you do in my place?


I really appreciate all the help you give me, here in Fordbarn people like Bubba, Skip Old Henry, Ken Mart etc etc gave me like others technical explanations that help me run my car properly, even we are 10.000 kms away.

maybe there is a much easier way to do it for instance SELLING MY CAR, this is what most of people tell me to do, jajaja!!! But I am young and patience. And I can assure you that I learnt a lot.

please keep in posting that is funny


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