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04-08-2011, 03:04 PM | #1 |
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29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
I am attempting to remove the gas tank of my 29 Fordor and have a question on whether or not I have to remove the wood dash piece to get the tank out.
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04-08-2011, 04:00 PM | #2 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Originally, there was no "Wood Piece" on the dash. Can you show us a picture of what you are describing?
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04-08-2011, 04:17 PM | #3 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Do you get "The Restorer" magazine? There is a complete step by step story on removing a 28 or 29 closed car tank published a couple of months ago. Other than lots of swearing and lots of nuts and bolts there isn't a lot to it. If you have any further problems or questions contact me via email or private message.
Jim's right there isn't supposed to be any wood to remove nor is it necessary to remove the dash. The only bolts that hold the tank are on the front of the fire wall engine side, and the side cowl brace inside the car. The job isn't fat boy friendly as you need to work under the tank inside the car. |
04-08-2011, 06:21 PM | #4 | |
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Below is the best pictures I got at the moment since we are working on a Fordor in the shop right nowwhere I could go snap a few pix. That might help some visualize that there IS supposed to be wood there. To get the tank out, remove the dash, and the filler panel between the lower firewall and the tank firewall, and then remove the screws on the front lip of the tank at the bracket (pictured below). Then the tank can be removed out through the bottom of the body after the gas cap has been removed however they are generally wedged up in there pretty tight. . |
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04-08-2011, 07:39 PM | #5 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Les says to remove the windsheild but I didnt have to, just openned it. Mine is a 29 Briggs Fordor 3 Window. There was no wood piece but there is a gap in there so someone may have left it out.The tank was obviously out at one time.I removed the dash panel but could have left it in.You do have to pull the column, the firewall filler below the tank as mentioned,500 nuts and bolts,and the side braces that bolt to the a pillar and cowl.There were 2 bolts and nuts at the top behind the dash panel that had no access to the nuts, I had to pry the tank downward while turning the bolts so the nuts would not spin.Of course there is the inst cluster, speedo cable and wire harness.Now I just have to clean it, a subject of another thread, Rich.Good luck.
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04-09-2011, 08:23 AM | #6 |
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When I restored the car I was impressed at the condition of the original body wood and the fact there had never been any rust on this car. The original factory stencil numbers are still on the bottom leaf of the front springs. Please continue to debate this as I think there is more to the story of wood under the dash. My car doesn't have it and everything is quite proper. If I can ever figure out how to post pictures of my car I'll include them. It looks a lot different than the photos shown. |
04-08-2011, 08:03 PM | #7 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
You da Man, Brent. My experience was with a Roadster, I guess its different......
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04-09-2011, 10:57 AM | #8 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Mine is a Murray, which might make a difference. I have wood on the front door pillars but none on the cowl. I had the tank out for steering mount repair. dropped the steering, of course and pulled the firewall and floor. The tank came out through the inside of the car, with much grunting and uhing. I had to tap the gas filler neck with a soft mallet but it eventually came down.
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04-09-2011, 11:06 AM | #9 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
John, I promise there is wood in there .................on some bodystyles of Fordors.
(Hint: list all of the body codes for Fordors) . |
04-09-2011, 12:09 PM | #10 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Smokey's cowl pillar looks like mine, no wood. I have no doubt that there is wood on some of the different bodies. I forget that the cars were in a constant state of refinement and design change. My body seems to be a late 29 Briggs. I wonder what else is different from the earlier ones.
I had aways thought that the reason Model A's survived in such great numbers was because of the limited use of wood in the construction of the bodies. I also thought that the reason there were few Chevy's was that Fisher relied on metal panels tacked to wood frames which rotted and fell apart. |
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Yes but does Smokey's cowl pillar look like Mike's?? It really isn't as much that these were in a constant state of refinement as it is the bodystyle. There were more than one type of Fordor bodystyle at any given time. |
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04-09-2011, 04:14 PM | #12 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
How do you sort em out? I was contacted by a guy looking for Murray wood who said he didn't have any wood at all in front of the door.Thats a rusty, right front door post in his picture. I have wood posts as in the next picts and its very obvious that Brents fordor has a lot more. Mine is an 8-29 Murray.
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04-09-2011, 04:52 PM | #13 |
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The 60 A&B Briggs bodies have a thick wood piece that runs the entire width of the gas tank. The dash rail attaches to this wood. I can't speak for the Murray bodies, they may not this wood piece. I believe the dash rail is unique to the Briggs bodies. They only fit the Briggs fordor & Cabriolet. I use to have two of these wood pieces but sold them at swap meets. I now have a very early 60B & this piece of wood can be seen very easily looking up under the dash rail.
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04-10-2011, 06:52 PM | #14 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Now that its out I'm trying the hillbilly cleaning method.
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04-27-2011, 11:57 PM | #15 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Thanks for all the suggestions and tips. I have attached a photo showing the wood piece on the dash. Hopefully this weekend I will have some time to work on it.
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
The wood piece you describe is also on my 28 Briggs and is a problem when trying to install the 31 style steering support.
My original support is starting to leak. Any suggestions ? |
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04-28-2011, 05:10 AM | #18 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Rich, the Rowland city fathers would like their back hoe returned
I think your cleaning method is excellant and the pic has made my day.
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04-28-2011, 08:34 PM | #20 |
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Re: 29 Fordor Gas Tank Removal
Brent, the reason it worked for me is my tank has patches soldered on the bottom from a prior cleaning probably 50 years ago. I removed the patches, cleaned as best as possible with a pressure washer,put in about a half gallon of crushed stone from the driveway and spun with the patches tacked back on. Being able to access through the holes to remove the stones is the only way because of the baffles.Came out pretty clean, just some surface rust, it was real bad before. Now I have to solder it back up.
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