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Floridian Flathead · 03-26-2017, 01:21 PM

Hello,
I have a question regarding a small bracket used to support the starter motor to the oil pan. I would guess to protect the ring gear on start ups.
My problem is that I can't see how it attaches to my to my engine or if it ever had one. MY CAR IS A 1937 FORD 21 stud , 221 inch 85hp. Someone has told me these brackets were used on 239 engines. Is this true?
Thanks,
Rich

V8COOPMAN · 03-26-2017, 02:35 PM

It would bolt under one of the oil pan bolt heads. DD

edhd58 · 03-26-2017, 02:38 PM

My guess is to support the starter motor, and prevent all that weight from bouncing up and down and straining / breaking those long skinny through bolts that holds the starter together as well as the whole assembly to the bellousing

Floyd · 03-26-2017, 05:22 PM

Main function is to keep starter straight when the gear engages the flywheel. The very high torque of the motor can twist the angle of attack. A lot of starter Bendix problems have been solved by adding the bracket if it was missing. Don't forget to put the bracket on before you run the bolt thru the starter when you assemble it!

Floridian Flathead · 03-26-2017, 06:18 PM

Thank you to all who responded to my question regarding the little support bracket, especially V8 COOPMAN

KDL · 03-26-2017, 06:54 PM

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Does anyone sell those brackets?

flatjack9 · 03-26-2017, 07:52 PM

I don't think that bracket was introduced until late in 1938.

4dFord/SC · 03-26-2017, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KDL

Does anyone sell those brackets?

Mac's p/n 51A-11140, $6.95.

oldford2 · 03-26-2017, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KDL

Does anyone sell those brackets?

I think V8coopman's post gives enough visual info to easily fabricate one yourself. I have made several.

bruce lee · 03-26-2017, 08:39 PM

I just figured this out for myself about a month ago.

FLA48 · 03-27-2017, 08:28 PM

If the bracket is missing, torque from the starter will eventually warp the oil pan attach point to the point the starter will not engage. Ask me how I know!!

Lawrie · 03-27-2017, 08:40 PM

Ajays ford parts in NZ has boxes full of them.
Lawrie

Jack E/NJ · 03-27-2017, 09:13 PM

My early 38 21-stud starter never had, and still doesn't have, the mysterious bracket. It started good without one on 6V when I first got the car in 1958 till I installed the requisite SBC in 1961. Then I re-installed the 21-studder with the same starter only running 12V about 6 years ago still without the bracket. And it starts even better. And I don't intend to fix this situation anytime soon. 8^) Jack E/NJ

KDL · 03-28-2017, 07:31 PM

Thanks for the responses.

03-26-2017, 01:21 PM	#1
Floridian Flathead Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 50	starter to oil pan support bracket mystery Hello, I have a question regarding a small bracket used to support the starter motor to the oil pan. I would guess to protect the ring gear on start ups. My problem is that I can't see how it attaches to my to my engine or if it ever had one. MY CAR IS A 1937 FORD 21 stud , 221 inch 85hp. Someone has told me these brackets were used on 239 engines. Is this true? Thanks, Rich

03-26-2017, 02:35 PM	#2
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,111	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery It would bolt under one of the oil pan bolt heads. DD __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE* Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 03-26-2017 at 02:41 PM.

03-26-2017, 02:38 PM	#3
edhd58 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Guston,ky Posts: 653	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery My guess is to support the starter motor, and prevent all that weight from bouncing up and down and straining / breaking those long skinny through bolts that holds the starter together as well as the whole assembly to the bellousing

03-26-2017, 05:22 PM	#4
Floyd Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 468	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery Main function is to keep starter straight when the gear engages the flywheel. The very high torque of the motor can twist the angle of attack. A lot of starter Bendix problems have been solved by adding the bracket if it was missing. Don't forget to put the bracket on before you run the bolt thru the starter when you assemble it!

03-26-2017, 06:18 PM	#5
Floridian Flathead Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 50	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery Thank you to all who responded to my question regarding the little support bracket, especially V8 COOPMAN

03-26-2017, 06:54 PM	#6
KDL Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Central MA Posts: 186	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Does anyone sell those brackets?

03-26-2017, 07:52 PM	#7
flatjack9 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oshkosh, Wi Posts: 4,526	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery I don't think that bracket was introduced until late in 1938.

03-27-2017, 08:28 PM	#11
FLA48 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Conroe TX Posts: 170	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery If the bracket is missing, torque from the starter will eventually warp the oil pan attach point to the point the starter will not engage. Ask me how I know!!

03-27-2017, 08:40 PM	#12
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,215	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery Ajays ford parts in NZ has boxes full of them. Lawrie

03-27-2017, 09:13 PM	#13
Jack E/NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,173	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery My early 38 21-stud starter never had, and still doesn't have, the mysterious bracket. It started good without one on 6V when I first got the car in 1958 till I installed the requisite SBC in 1961. Then I re-installed the 21-studder with the same starter only running 12V about 6 years ago still without the bracket. And it starts even better. And I don't intend to fix this situation anytime soon. 8^) Jack E/NJ

03-28-2017, 07:31 PM	#14
KDL Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Central MA Posts: 186	Re: starter to oil pan support bracket mystery Thanks for the responses.