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02-25-2021, 11:26 AM | #1 |
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48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
I listed this on eBay for the owners and thought some of you might find it interesting.
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02-25-2021, 12:01 PM | #2 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Seriously cool!
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02-25-2021, 12:05 PM | #3 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Stunning. Needs the Allard intake that’s on eBay.
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02-25-2021, 12:24 PM | #4 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Wow. She's a beauty.
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02-25-2021, 12:37 PM | #5 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Wow, that's cool.
Steering wheel's on the wrong side though |
02-25-2021, 01:20 PM | #6 |
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02-25-2021, 01:45 PM | #7 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Welcome aboard and thanks for posting the ad for your great looking car.
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02-25-2021, 01:59 PM | #8 | |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
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02-25-2021, 02:57 PM | #9 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
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Anyone notice the 'oddball' rear radius rods? Similar to '35-'36 Ford, but the 'welded-on' forging at the rear is totally unique to anything I have seen. Is that CABLE brakes on that thing? Do I understand that the chassis is WOODEN? DD Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 02-25-2021 at 03:07 PM. |
02-25-2021, 03:26 PM | #10 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Very cool - except the generator? ... the generator is not vented or cooled / no fan or cooling slots?
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02-25-2021, 03:50 PM | #11 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
I'm surprised the Allard two carb intake and Finned Allard script heads are not on the engine.
If anyone is interested I have the Allard intake and matching heads available. Ronnieroadster
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02-25-2021, 04:17 PM | #12 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Juice brakes on the front, so I think the cables running down the torque tube and out to the wheels must be parking brakes?
Independent suspension on the front as well as a heck of a spring pack! That little coolant drip needs attending to, it's getting everywhere, and the lower rad hoses look really brittle or something.
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
I love the independent front suspension using the Ford front spring.
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02-25-2021, 04:30 PM | #14 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
[QUOTE=VeryTangled;1989425]Juice brakes on the front, so I think the cables running down the torque tube and out to the wheels must be parking brakes.
Independent suspension on the front as well as a heck of a spring pack! Yup, parking brake would make more sense now. And there's Ford's first attempt at "Twin-I-Beam". The way that is set-up, that spring pack becomes two 'quarter elliptic' springs in function, like the rear of C2 and C3 Corvettes. DD Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 02-25-2021 at 05:01 PM. |
02-25-2021, 04:44 PM | #15 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
I like all the quirky little differences on the Allard.
The rear radius arms are Pilot. The rear axle is Pilot. Pilots had mech rear brakes so the cable brakes may be primary. Pilot had an equaliser mechanism pivoting on the boss in the diff side bell. The front axle is pukka made not welded up. Not made by Ford. Pilot style 21 studder too. I had invoices like that from Nordian services. The old fella (Wally Wheatley) used to send the parts with an invoice and you used to send the money after you got em. Real old school. |
02-25-2021, 04:48 PM | #16 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Threw me off for a second, thought it was on a ford chassis at first. Good informative read in the description link on the ebay add.
http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBa...=0&cspheader=1
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02-25-2021, 06:43 PM | #17 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
Heresy, but the Cadillac powered Allards had a lot more umph.
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02-25-2021, 09:03 PM | #18 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
I learn something new every day! I had thought all Allards were race cars. Pretty cool street cars too.
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02-26-2021, 04:36 PM | #19 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
If I can find the photos, there was an Allard at the vintage races in Loudon NH several years ago. It was powered by Ardun equipped flathead, and was driven by Zora Arkus Duntov in the '50s at Watkins Glenn. Results, DNF.
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
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This Allard J2 is powered by a Ford 'flathead' V8 engine with ARDUN overhead valve conversion. There is a split axle front end and a DeDion rear setup.This Allard was the first J2 entered in competition and was the factory entry at Silverstone, England on August 1949. The car finished 3rd in class.The roadster was shipped to Zora Arkus-Duntov in New York City and driven by Arkus-Duntov at Watkins Glen, G.P., on September of 1949 and later at Palm beach Shores, Florida on January of 1950.
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02-28-2021, 12:07 PM | #21 |
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Re: 48 Allard on eBay with a Ford Flathead V8
I'm the owner of this car. I was already interested in Ford flatheads when I discovered Allards. They are unique and I thought they looked nicer than Fords of the era. I can answer a few questions.
I've just gone through the brakes. They are hydraulic in front and at the rear they are hydraulically activated mechanical (see schematic). This was strange to me, but were commonly used in the UK, especially for trucks. They could easily be converted to standard Ford. The engine is a '37 style 21 stud. As noted the rear axle is like a 35-36 Ford. At one point, I had a Columbia for it, but never got that done. Allard was the official Columbia dealer in the UK. The Ballamy front axle arrangement was a simple way to give independent front suspension. The modification was done in the UK on other solid axle cars. It works and gives a nice ride. The chassis frame is very similar to Ford's, but it is boxed, a common modification of hotrods here in the US. This stiffens the frame and avoids the rusting issues of Fords. The UK economy was devastated by WWII. After the war there was a major effort to export and imports were avoided. Flatheads were available from the Dagenham factory, so most cars sold in the UK were flathead powered, but they were frequently hopped up with either finned aluminium heads (copied from Edelbrock) or with an Ardun. Allard had a close relationship with Duntov and was the UK dealer for Ardun heads. To avoid importing engines, the Cadillac powered Allards in the US usually had the engine installed by the US dealer. At one point I had an Cad-Allard K-2 roadster and an Ardun head setup, but that '51 Cadillac engine was so sweet I couldn't bear to replace it. The body is a coach built style with aluminum over an ash frame. This was a common method used on low production cars, e.g. Lincolns thru '39. The fenders are steel. The ash frame is the Achilles heal of these cars. Fortunately, this one was completely rebuilt by the previous owner during the car's restoration which was completed in the early 1990s. |
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Thanks for the extra information.
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Great info on a great car. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks for the info. Good luck with the sale
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03-08-2021, 10:08 PM | #25 | |
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Can you tell me more about your Allard parts? I have an Allard K2. Originally, the cer was powered by an Ardun Mercury engine but unfortunately thats now long gone. Allard script heads and an intake could be a pretty cool plan B though. Regards |
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