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Old 01-23-2014, 07:28 PM   #1
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Default Flathead Cams Info needed -what do you have

Ok , heres a few cams I picked out of my attic stash . I need info , opinions & specs on please ?
most are new originals !
59AB style :-
H&C 3/4 off
Potvin 425 eliminator
Winfield 3/4
Winfield SU NN 737112
Isky 1014
Francisco 541
8BA:-
Potvin FR
V8/60:-
Isky 404 Jr Track
Potvin Super 110* 3426

All info & opinions much appreciated
Thanks !!

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Old 01-23-2014, 07:39 PM   #2
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Kiwi, we ran a potvin eliminator in the first dragster engine we used,it was hilborn injected ran good and pulled from 1000 rpm,we revved this engine to 5700 for nearly three years,not a drama,
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Old 01-23-2014, 07:43 PM   #3
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Thanks Lawrie , I have a set of very early hilborn injectors with the angled stacks , did you use radiused lifters with it ?
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I've got the Potvin 425 eliminator in my dragster, rev limiter set 5500 but when we broke a driveshaft right at the tree the tach went to 7100 before my got his foot off the pedle, Awsome cam. Walt
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Old 01-23-2014, 08:07 PM   #5
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The Potvin 425 doesn't need radius lifters. Nice bunch of cams, seem like you have one for every application. From mild to wiled.
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Ok , heres a few cams I picked out of my attic stash . I need info , opinions & specs on please ?
most are new originals !
59AB style :-
H&C 3/4 off
Potvin 425 eliminator
Winfield 3/4
Winfield SU NN 737112
Isky 1014
Francisco 541
8BA:-
Potvin FR
V8/60:-
Isky 404 Jr Track
Potvin Super 110* 3426

All info & opinions much appreciated
Thanks !!
Are you sure that Isky grind is a 1014? I believe they had a 1015 back in the day. You can call them and they'll find the specs for you. I think Isky's son is pretty much running the show there now.

Also, Pete will be a great resource for some ideas and specs on the cams listed.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:43 AM   #7
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Is that an isky 400 Jr or an isky 404?
Just clearing ambiguity.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:58 AM   #8
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Is that an isky 400 Jr or an isky 404?
Just clearing ambiguity.
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Martin , it is a cam for a v8/60 & stamped on end of cam
Iskendarian 404Jr Track
it is brand new & been is its box for a loooooooooooong looooooooooooooooong time
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Are you sure that Isky grind is a 1014? I believe they had a 1015 back in the day. You can call them and they'll find the specs for you. I think Isky's son is pretty much running the show there now.

Also, Pete will be a great resource for some ideas and specs on the cams listed.
Tim , I will double check on that number this arvo.
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Martin , it is a cam for a v8/60 & stamped on end of cam
Iskendarian 404Jr Track
it is brand new & been is its box for a loooooooooooong looooooooooooooooong time
That 404 for a V8 60 is a rare bird and should bring some decent $$. I would assume you'd need to run radius lifters in this motor as well for the larger V8's running 404 cams required them.
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That 404 for a V8 60 is a rare bird and should bring some decent $$. I would assume you'd need to run radius lifters in this motor as well for the larger V8's running 404 cams required them.
Yes Tim it needs radius lifters , Pete can make them for me . I have hime do that this year. I have to supply lifters & its still expensive but the cam is no good without them.
It will go in an engine some time , maybe this year with some other rare V8/60 speed equipment
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Yes Tim it needs radius lifters , Pete can make them for me . I have hime do that this year. I have to supply lifters & its still expensive but the cam is no good without them.
It will go in an engine some time , maybe this year with some other rare V8/60 speed equipment

I would love to hear that little 60 with that cam. I bet it sounds like a $1 mil. bucks. When you have it together, please post a sound clip.

I've read that the 404 grind is one of the best flathead cams around. Some claim even better than the famous Potvin Eliminator.

You'll run out of revs before you run out of cam.
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:00 PM   #13
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Are you sure that Isky grind is a 1014? I believe they had a 1015 back in the day. You can call them and they'll find the specs for you. I think Isky's son is pretty much running the show there now.

Also, Pete will be a great resource for some ideas and specs on the cams listed.
Tim , just checked camshaft
Definately Isky 1014
I sure would like specs on all these cams
I have them on the Potvin FR & that is all.
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:26 PM   #14
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Kiwi, I used the original small pad hollow lifters with the cam,no radius,they still look good.
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:39 PM   #15
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WOW awesome Lawrie , Thanks ... The non adjustable hollow correct ?
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Ahh right, didn't see the v8 60 reference in your first post. Must read all the words.
I'd love to hear that cam run, with lightened everything. Reckon it'd sound like a buzz saw.
I love cams aswell. Got a H&C 3/4 that came out of a swap meet engine I bought for £50. It has a hole in one inlet port, cool old style full relief and some sizable inlet ports. The reason I took it home was that it had adjustable lifters in him. Got home popped it to bits, lifters are old hollow johnsons and the H&C cam. Made me very happy. Ran it in a mate's engine, pulled from very low down, iddled with a very slight lope, liked to rev, but mate only revved it to 5000ish.
Clay Smith 282-2 ran it in a 21 stud for a bit, but been swapped out for a stock 8ba cam for setting up n testing, then going back in. Rough hard idle, picks up revs something crazy even with 11" clutch n flywheel. But needs more compression than I have in that engine now. Filled n milled is the way I'm going as its a 21stud, aftermarket heads way to spendy for that engine.
Played with an L100 for a bit, 7000+ rpm! Idle good n rough, but don't seem to have lost any bottom end torque. Liked that a lot. Wouldn't mind another at some point. But there's more cams I want to play with first.
Got a 404A itch that needs scratching, but it's gonna be an expensive scratch. That Eleminator chap also.
We can all dream a little, can't we.
Good luck on your quest.
And good fun too.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:32 PM   #17
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This is some info from an old Roger Huntington book on the Harman Collins 3/4

Intake opens 19 BTDC, closes 59 ABDC, .320 lift, .011 lash.

Exhaust opens 54 BBDC, closes 14 ATDC, .320 lift .013 lash.

Sooo a little math and it seems to have 258 intake duration with a 110 ICL

248 exhaust duration with a 110 ECL

110 LSA with 33 degrees of overlap.

Caveat: All of the above assumes the H-C 3/4 profile stayed the same throughout

it’s production life and that my calculation methods and math are correct.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:55 PM   #18
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Winfield 3/4, same source as the H-C:

Intake opens 18 BTDC, closes 62 ABDC, .305 lift, .012 lash.

Exhaust opens 58 BBDC, closes 14 ATDC, .295 lift .014 lash.

Sooo a little math and it seems to have 260 intake duration with a 112 ICL

252 exhaust duration with a 112 ECL

112 LSA with 32 degrees of overlap.

Caveat: All of the above assumes the Winfield 3/4 profile stayed the same throughout

it’s production life and that my calculation methods and math are correct.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:19 PM   #19
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Isky did make the 1013,1014, 1015, and 1016. I have the numbers on a few of then and i'll look for them. he also made a Max#2
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Nice....i wonder what the 8ba potvin fr is all about

Are any of the potvins in the original boxes...if so can you ppst pics ive never seen a potvin cam box
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