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elwood · 07-11-2019, 04:27 PM

Hey guys, I need some help figuring out the bearings I need and locating them ..
This a 221 out of a 40 Cdan. STD bore, . Crank turned .020 ..
I got a set of brgs .020 now, but it would seam the shell thickness is to thick..
I have Rons book, kinda been helping me, but Im just not familiar enough with floatings brgs to know what the hell Im doing, lol …
SO here are some specs,
Crank Journal .020 at 1.977 t/- .001
Rods are NOS, 2.220
Bearings I have, Brg OD, 2.227 t/- .002
Brg shell thickness .119

Any thoughts here …
Thanks guys ….

petehoovie · 07-11-2019, 04:33 PM

jetmek · 07-11-2019, 05:07 PM

keep in mind if you have ford bearings they were available in oversize OD for rebuilt rods. you have a p/n? also how are you measuring the bearing? across the split or at 90*? the bearings are not round they need to be fitted to the crank by slightly pinching or spreading at the split

elwood · 07-11-2019, 05:19 PM

jetmek, I measured the brgs at 90* from the split, Im thinking I have a set of over sized OD brgs for reconditioned rods ..
The brgs lay right on the crank, and I put 1 rod on, with the brgs, I snugged it down with a speed handle and the brg spun on the crank, but was locked in the rod..

jetmek · 07-11-2019, 05:26 PM

check the inside oil groove with a magnifying glass it mite have a ford script and a letter. you can refer to the ford parts greenbook to determine the bearing size by the letter

elwood · 07-11-2019, 05:55 PM

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all it says in the oil grove is " T FORD USA-E "

FlatheadTed · 07-11-2019, 06:10 PM

It looks like your bearings are around 4 x thou ? thou over size on the od, you could get your rods re sized to fit ,

FlatheadTed · 07-11-2019, 06:19 PM

My book ,E equals 10 over plus 8 od, can some one verify that ,

elwood · 07-11-2019, 06:37 PM

I was thinking about that Ted, I have a set that needs reground center any way, I may need to have that done, .
These brgs are .020 over, plus 8 over OD looks like ..

elwood · 07-11-2019, 06:55 PM

Anyone know where I can get a set of these bearings, .020 over, std OD ?

FlatheadTed · 07-11-2019, 07:20 PM

plus x 10s bearings they show a wall thickness of 115 t/-
Are you Shure your crank is plus 20 ,a std crank is 1.999 , less 10 or 20 if you have ground it

FlatheadTed · 07-11-2019, 07:32 PM

At 1,977 t/- your journals have been ground only .02 t/-
PS I should have said .020

Ken/Alabama · 07-11-2019, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwood

Anyone know where I can get a set of these bearings, .020 over, std OD ?

Pretty sure I have some.

philipswanson · 07-11-2019, 09:23 PM

That book you're posting is not that good!

Ol' Ron · 07-11-2019, 10:31 PM

The rod should measure 2.220 crank at 1.977 you need a bearing that is .21215 for zero clearance A .119 sounds like a .020 under beating. Which would be pretty tight. However you don't know if the bearing is round. This is done by tapping the edge down some and checking for roundness. You must fit the bearings to the rods and rank, I use a bearing mike for the bearings. Once you have the bearings, scrub them with fine scuff pads and clean with hot soapy water. Last check make sure the bearings have at least .012" side clearance on the crank to aid in oil flow theough he bearings. Rod clearance for street is .006/.008. I like them loose .008/.010

john in illinois · 07-12-2019, 06:24 AM

Mac Vanpelt has them listed.

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/e...prices-pg2.htm

John

elwood · 07-12-2019, 06:35 AM

Hey Ron, thanks for the reply, Im thinking a set of .020 over, STD will work ..
Hi John, I spoke with Mac yesterday, he has no .020 STD

flatheadmurre · 07-12-2019, 08:37 AM

If you have a set of .020 .008 it must be cheaper to hone the rods then buy a new set of bearings...atleast in my end of the world...

elwood · 07-12-2019, 09:12 AM

customer brought new rods, and everything is already ballanced

flatheadmurre · 07-12-2019, 09:26 AM

I wouldn´t worry to much about the balancing...if it´s that critical when you use a lighter STD set of bearings then it was balanced for...are you balancing it again ?
If it´s real high HP perhaps you could say the rods are a tad stronger at STD...

07-11-2019, 04:33 PM	#2
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07-11-2019, 05:07 PM	#3
jetmek Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: albany Posts: 466	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. keep in mind if you have ford bearings they were available in oversize OD for rebuilt rods. you have a p/n? also how are you measuring the bearing? across the split or at 90*? the bearings are not round they need to be fitted to the crank by slightly pinching or spreading at the split __________________ engine and component overhauls my specialty! Website- www.godevilgarage.com

07-11-2019, 05:19 PM	#4
elwood Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,053	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. jetmek, I measured the brgs at 90* from the split, Im thinking I have a set of over sized OD brgs for reconditioned rods .. The brgs lay right on the crank, and I put 1 rod on, with the brgs, I snugged it down with a speed handle and the brg spun on the crank, but was locked in the rod..

07-11-2019, 05:26 PM	#5
jetmek Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: albany Posts: 466	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. check the inside oil groove with a magnifying glass it mite have a ford script and a letter. you can refer to the ford parts greenbook to determine the bearing size by the letter __________________ engine and component overhauls my specialty! Website- www.godevilgarage.com

07-11-2019, 05:55 PM	#6
elwood Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,053	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) all it says in the oil grove is " T FORD USA-E "

07-11-2019, 06:10 PM	#7
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,705	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. It looks like your bearings are around 4 x thou ? thou over size on the od, you could get your rods re sized to fit , __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters ,

07-11-2019, 06:19 PM	#8
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,705	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. My book ,E equals 10 over plus 8 od, can some one verify that , __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters ,

07-11-2019, 06:37 PM	#9
elwood Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,053	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. I was thinking about that Ted, I have a set that needs reground center any way, I may need to have that done, . These brgs are .020 over, plus 8 over OD looks like ..

07-11-2019, 06:55 PM	#10
elwood Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,053	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. Anyone know where I can get a set of these bearings, .020 over, std OD ?

07-11-2019, 07:20 PM	#11
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,705	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. plus x 10s bearings they show a wall thickness of 115 t/- Are you Shure your crank is plus 20 ,a std crank is 1.999 , less 10 or 20 if you have ground it __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters , Last edited by FlatheadTed; 07-11-2019 at 08:40 PM.

07-11-2019, 07:32 PM	#12
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,705	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. At 1,977 t/- your journals have been ground only .02 t/- PS I should have said .020 __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters , Last edited by FlatheadTed; 07-11-2019 at 08:52 PM.

07-11-2019, 09:23 PM	#14
philipswanson Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Bonita, CA Posts: 1,374	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. That book you're posting is not that good!

07-11-2019, 10:31 PM	#15
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. The rod should measure 2.220 crank at 1.977 you need a bearing that is .21215 for zero clearance A .119 sounds like a .020 under beating. Which would be pretty tight. However you don't know if the bearing is round. This is done by tapping the edge down some and checking for roundness. You must fit the bearings to the rods and rank, I use a bearing mike for the bearings. Once you have the bearings, scrub them with fine scuff pads and clean with hot soapy water. Last check make sure the bearings have at least .012" side clearance on the crank to aid in oil flow theough he bearings. Rod clearance for street is .006/.008. I like them loose .008/.010

07-12-2019, 06:24 AM	#16
john in illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,184	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. Mac Vanpelt has them listed. http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/e...prices-pg2.htm John __________________ Welcome each day

07-12-2019, 06:35 AM	#17
elwood Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,053	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. Hey Ron, thanks for the reply, Im thinking a set of .020 over, STD will work .. Hi John, I spoke with Mac yesterday, he has no .020 STD

07-12-2019, 08:37 AM	#18
flatheadmurre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,045	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. If you have a set of .020 .008 it must be cheaper to hone the rods then buy a new set of bearings...atleast in my end of the world...

07-12-2019, 09:12 AM	#19
elwood Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,053	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. customer brought new rods, and everything is already ballanced

07-12-2019, 09:26 AM	#20
flatheadmurre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,045	Re: Looking for Floating brgs .. I wouldn´t worry to much about the balancing...if it´s that critical when you use a lighter STD set of bearings then it was balanced for...are you balancing it again ? If it´s real high HP perhaps you could say the rods are a tad stronger at STD...