Juice Brakes Model A

[toms32]

Juice Brakes - I went to convert to Juice Braes on my Model A. I know they sell a kit for the fronts but does someone have an inexpensive way of changing the rear and also a set up for a master cyclinder or some photo's. Mamy thanks for any assistance

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Forget it. IMHO. Mamy thanks? Is that thanks for the mammaries?

I'll second that!

I can lock up my wheel with the mechanical brakes. How much better do you want to stop?

Let's look at the Ford owner's manual that came with ever Ford...bla, bla, bla...yep says it will stop. Says so right here in the book.

In a six page letter to every dealer about the 'New Ford Car' from December 1927, the covers the following in these sub titles. Brakes are here somewhere.

A New and Modern Car
Why the Price is So Low
Beautiful New Body Lines
Lots of Room for Every Passenger
Choice of Seven Colors
An Unusually Speedy Car
A Remarkable Engine
Remarkable Acceleration, Quick on the Get-A-Way
Engine Practically Vibration-less
Gasoline Economy
Economy of Upkeep
Ford-Design Oiling System
A Word about Cooling
Unique Ignition System
Standard Selective Gear-Shift
Irreversible Steering Gear

AhhhHaaaa! Here it is...

New Four Wheel Brakes
"Here's a surprise for you. 4-Wheel brakes in the new Ford. When I say 4-wheel brakes, I mean the finest 4-wheel brakes made. They are mechanical, internal-expanding shoe type and are self-centering. Tests have proved that this is the most reliable and simplest type of four-wheel brakes and the easiest to adjust. All adjustment, you see, are made from the outside without removing any parts. No special tools are needed and uniform adjustment on each wheel is quickly and easily obtained. The emergency brakes operate on the rear wheel and are entirely independent of the service brakes. Thus there are actually six brakes on the car, with a total braking surface of 168 inches on the service brakes. Imagine that - 168 square inches of braking surface. That means real brake protection. There is no chance of the brakes getting rusty and sticking because they are plated with cadmium to make them rust-proof and are enclosed to keep out mud and dirt."
Single, Dry-Disc Clutch
The Best Springs of All
Hydraulic Shock Absorbers
Three-Quarter Floating Axle
Steel-Spoke Wheels
A quiet Car
Grease-Gun Lubrication
Standard Equipment

End of letter. Note that the ratio of weight to square inch is around 13 lb of car/sqin brake surface.

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[mrtexas]

Try this link:
http://members.fortunecity.com/pjsau...ulicBrakes.htm

[1931 flamingo]

mrtexas: lots of good info there, thanks.
Paul in CT

[zzlegend]

This might help
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=124112

[Charlie Stephens]

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Charlie Stephens

[Jack '29 Sport Coupe]

My car only has juice brakes because the guy who owned it in the past installed them. I've driven and owned mechanicals in the past and can't really say that juice
is worth the extra expense. This is just MY opinion, so all of you that will disagree,
don't bother. JMHO

Jack

[Mike V. Florida]

You know your going to Model A hell for this.

But until you do Sacramento Vintage Ford has every thing you need.

I never could understand why someone would spend thousands of dollars extra for something that does not stop the car any better than what's already, there but it's your money.

[Kurt in NJ]

If you do convert use a dual master cylinder so you do not loose all your brakes when the fluid leaks out.

I had both a 46, and a 39, got tired of fixing leaking wheel cyls, the grabbing, pulling ,sold then both.

The model A, and the 36 have never have any problems , leaks, or failures with the reliable mechanical brakes, and in side by side testing the model A out stopped the 39 with shorter distance and 1 more stop from 60 before fade.

Inexpensive should not be your primary concern when fixing brakes.

[billwill]

Originally Posted by toms32

Juice Brakes - I went to convert to Juice Braes on my Model A. I know they sell a kit for the fronts but does someone have an inexpensive way of changing the rear and also a set up for a master cyclinder or some photo's. Mamy thanks for any assistance

Nothing is cheap Sorry.

[1931 flamingo]

Mike V. Florida' the way I've looked at prices in the A catalogs, it's going to be an easy 800-1000 PLUS machining the hubs for mechanicals vs a hydraulic conv kit which is about the same money, less if you come up with swap meet parts for the conversion. Probably the biggest problem with the hyd system is most people don't know how to adj them either, Richard Lacy(?spelling) on the EV8 board has a long detailed explanation on how to adjust them. JMO
Paul in CT

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo

Mike V. Florida' the way I've looked at prices in the A catalogs, it's going to be an easy 800-1000 PLUS machining the hubs for mechanicals vs a hydraulic conv kit which is about the same money, less if you come up with swap meet parts for the conversion. Probably the biggest problem with the hyd system is most people don't know how to adj them either, Richard Lacy(?spelling) on the EV8 board has a long detailed explanation on how to adjust them. JMO
Paul in CT

How do you figure 800-1000 plus machining to put drums on your hubs? The drums are about $430.00 and brattons gets about $270.00 for machining, that's for all four and new races as well.

As for the adjustment part, your right on!!

[JunkOSC]

Plenty of stopping power stock. Spend your money elsewhere...or send it to me ;-)

[mickeyb]

I love my hyd brakes.never a problem. To each his own

[denis4x4]

I've done four A's with hydraulics that never leaked, grabbed or pulled from one side or the other. What am I doing wrong?

[mrtexas]

It can be done for $500 with used drums/backing plates and making your own master cylinder bracket.

[john in illinois]

I sure like my hydraulics. Very smooth and even-no leakage.

The early Ford Store has all the new and used parts tou might need-good folks.

LINK http://lbcunited.com/earlyford2/inde...39445753ab2431

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by denis4x4

I've done four A's with hydraulics that never leaked, grabbed or pulled from one side or the other. What am I doing wrong?

Putting on juice brakes!

The only juice that belongs on Model A brakes is the oil that you squirt on the brake rod pins.

[youngrodder1929]

Originally Posted by zzlegend

This might help
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=124112

just finished up puttin hyd brakes on my A used that thred to base off of turned out awesome i used 46 spindles instead, i used the master cylinder from clings as well
https://www.clingsaftermarket.com/ad...od=27&subcat=1

[pdora]

My recently-acquired 1930 Tudor came equipped with hydraulic brakes and they seem just fine to me. Will probably upgrade to dual master cylinder one of these days.