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jg61hawk · 07-29-2017, 02:05 PM

Getting ready to drive the A from NJ to PA for the MARC. Reading over Les Andrews book section A-1 Preventative Maintenance I noticed at every 2,000 miles they recommend checking the rear (banjo) bolts and the coil housing. I thought why? Do they know something I don't?

Sure enough the rear had 6 bolts loose three on each side and only the ones closest the driveshaft. If I had just checked the ones on the rearmost I would have quit. They were very tight, but for some reason the three on each side by the shaft were HAND tight. The coil clamp had about a 1/4 turn, which seems weird too. Hey go by the book!

Is it just me...I mean do you guys routinely check the rear end housing bolts? I guess we should.

Tom Endy · 07-29-2017, 02:34 PM

The banjo bolts next to the torque tube flange have a tendency to work loose. Don't know why, maybe some flexing going on in this area. The early 28 banjos, that did not have support gussets would usually crack at these bolt holes. I make it a habit to check all the banjo bolts when I change oil. They should be torqued to 35 ft. Lbs.

Tom Endy

Big hammer · 07-29-2017, 03:05 PM

Fine threads and no locking devices? Tom would that be a place for thread locker the low strength type? Still learning for you :-)

iverson · 07-29-2017, 03:58 PM

Glad I read this 4 bolts took about a 1/4 turn each! Maybe it will stop the drip!

Kevin in NJ · 07-29-2017, 05:27 PM

Probably because the threads on both sides are a fairly tight tolerance. When they are new you expect to get 1/4 to maybe 1/2 the way in by fingers then you will need a wrench. Good worn seems to be around 3/4 the way.

This keeps the bolts from leaking and allows the parts to be fitted without lock washers.

If you chase the threads then they get loose.

When I was setting up for my rear I went thorugh all the about 150 bolts and used a very clean housing hose and tried each bolt. The ones that went past 3/4 got put in the do not use pile. A lot of bolt were in the pile when I was done. Only the tightest bolts were used and that included a few that were a bit pitted, but I am more interesting in best function.

My recommendation is to go back and put a bit of locktite on each of your loose bolts. This will ensure they stay tight and prevent them from leaking.

iverson · 07-29-2017, 07:59 PM

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good advice Kevin! I wish I would have thought of locktite! I will check the bolts regularly from now on and will locktite any loose ones

Mike V. Florida · 07-30-2017, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin in NJ

If you chase the threads then they get loose.

Yep, NEVER chase the bolts or the holes.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-30-2017, 07:45 AM

Model As are NOTORIOUS for shakin' things loose! I Loctite "everything"---Wish they made CLEAR Loctite. In the OLD DAYS, we dipped the bolt threads in PAINT, for a makeshift FIX. (TIP# 021)
Bill Babble

GPierce · 07-30-2017, 08:54 AM

Thanks. Just now checked mine, 1000 miles on gear change to 3:54-1. The front three on either side needed retorqueing.

07-29-2017, 02:05 PM	#1
jg61hawk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Central New Jersey Posts: 404	Saved By Book Advice LOOSE PARTS-READ Getting ready to drive the A from NJ to PA for the MARC. Reading over Les Andrews book section A-1 Preventative Maintenance I noticed at every 2,000 miles they recommend checking the rear (banjo) bolts and the coil housing. I thought why? Do they know something I don't? Sure enough the rear had 6 bolts loose three on each side and only the ones closest the driveshaft. If I had just checked the ones on the rearmost I would have quit. They were very tight, but for some reason the three on each side by the shaft were HAND tight. The coil clamp had about a 1/4 turn, which seems weird too. Hey go by the book! Is it just me...I mean do you guys routinely check the rear end housing bolts? I guess we should.

07-29-2017, 02:34 PM	#2
Tom Endy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,131	Re: Saved By Book Advice LOOSE PARTS-READ The banjo bolts next to the torque tube flange have a tendency to work loose. Don't know why, maybe some flexing going on in this area. The early 28 banjos, that did not have support gussets would usually crack at these bolt holes. I make it a habit to check all the banjo bolts when I change oil. They should be torqued to 35 ft. Lbs. Tom Endy

07-29-2017, 03:05 PM	#3
Big hammer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 3,127	Re: Saved By Book Advice LOOSE PARTS-READ Fine threads and no locking devices? Tom would that be a place for thread locker the low strength type? Still learning for you :-) __________________ Don't force it with a little hammer tap, tap, tap get a bigger hammer tap done

07-29-2017, 05:27 PM	#5
Kevin in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South East NJ Posts: 3,398	Re: Saved By Book Advice LOOSE PARTS-READ Probably because the threads on both sides are a fairly tight tolerance. When they are new you expect to get 1/4 to maybe 1/2 the way in by fingers then you will need a wrench. Good worn seems to be around 3/4 the way. This keeps the bolts from leaking and allows the parts to be fitted without lock washers. If you chase the threads then they get loose. When I was setting up for my rear I went thorugh all the about 150 bolts and used a very clean housing hose and tried each bolt. The ones that went past 3/4 got put in the do not use pile. A lot of bolt were in the pile when I was done. Only the tightest bolts were used and that included a few that were a bit pitted, but I am more interesting in best function. My recommendation is to go back and put a bit of locktite on each of your loose bolts. This will ensure they stay tight and prevent them from leaking.

07-29-2017, 07:59 PM	#6
iverson Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: freeport il Posts: 316	Re: Saved By Book Advice LOOSE PARTS-READ Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) good advice Kevin! I wish I would have thought of locktite! I will check the bolts regularly from now on and will locktite any loose ones

07-30-2017, 07:45 AM	#8
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Saved By Book Advice LOOSE PARTS-READ Model As are NOTORIOUS for shakin' things loose! I Loctite "everything"---Wish they made CLEAR Loctite. In the OLD DAYS, we dipped the bolt threads in PAINT, for a makeshift FIX. (TIP# 021) Bill Babble __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

07-30-2017, 08:54 AM	#9
GPierce Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Germantown,TN Posts: 516	Re: Saved By Book Advice LOOSE PARTS-READ Thanks. Just now checked mine, 1000 miles on gear change to 3:54-1. The front three on either side needed retorqueing.