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Fibber Mcgee · 08-01-2016, 01:08 AM

My avatar car doesn't have 41 bumpers (or at least they don't look it). The front is fine but the chrome is very bad on the rear. I think they might be 40 bumpers but I'm not sure. I'm okay with the look and since 41 bumpers are not very common I thought of trying to get a bumper to match the front for the rear. My questions are , are 40 and 41 interchangeable size wise and is there an easy way to identify what year they could be?

Juergen · 08-01-2016, 08:07 AM

Do you have the "Green Bible"? It gives you a sketch of the 40 and 41 bumpers. The 40 bumpers and arms have the 01A prefix whereas the 41 bumpers and arms have the 011 prefix. But since the frame widths are the same, I would guess that they are interchangeable. As far as looks, the 41 passenger super deluxe had a crease in the center with the bottom ends slightly slanted inwards. The 40 and the other 41s look like their ends were rounded. That is all I could dig up.

Charlie ny · 08-01-2016, 08:21 AM

FM,
I seem to recall the very base '41 passenger cars used '40 bumpers. The
unique '41 bumpers were used on all passenger cars except the base line models.
I think the base models were referred to as SPECIALS, the others were DELUXE and SUPER DELUXE.
Charlie ny

Fibber Mcgee · 08-01-2016, 12:23 PM

I don't have the green bible (maybe it's time for the investment ) my car is the deluxe but if the special bumpers are 40s I'm okay with that . I could get mine replated but that would probably be more than just buying another.

fordor41 · 08-01-2016, 11:20 PM

If the '40 & '41 bumpers are not interchangeable then I assume the bumper irons, bumper guards will also have to be changed. May be easier to rechrome or buy repros.

42fred · 08-02-2016, 09:22 AM

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1940-1941 bumpers are not interchangeable the 1941 Ford body is wider then the 1940 body. They may look the same but they are different. You will have to rechrome your 1941 bumpers. Fred

hook00pad · 08-02-2016, 09:32 AM

41 to 48 should be the same length, if you aren't too concerned with authenticity.

waterboychuck · 08-02-2016, 10:06 AM

These two pages are out of the green bible. You did mention that your car is a deluxe and not a super deluxe.

Kube · 08-02-2016, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 42fred

1940-1941 bumpers are not interchangeable the 1941 Ford body is wider then the 1940 body. They may look the same but they are different. You will have to rechrome your 1941 bumpers. Fred

100% correct

Fibber Mcgee · 08-02-2016, 04:44 PM

Okay, so is it just the super deluxe that has the ridges? I was thinking that all bumpers were the same on 41 cars but from the green bible pictures (thanks waterboychuck) the deluxe and special bumpers are the same style as the 40 bumpers which means mine should be 41 bumpers. Now I'm looking for a 41 rear bumper I guess.

mrtexas · 08-02-2016, 05:09 PM

Just paid $500 to re-chrome 41 bumper.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940-1941-OR...NXmR-R&vxp=mtr

rustythumb · 08-02-2016, 06:08 PM

also, all '41 rear bumpers have the ford script stamped into the center!

mercman from oz · 08-02-2016, 07:45 PM

I know that Fibber Mcgee is talking about the Bumpers on his 1941 Ford, but it is interesting to note that Ford also "mixed" the Bumpers on the 1942 Ford. If you look at this 1942 Ford Deluxe, you would think that it was fitted with 1941 Ford Super Deluxe Bumpers. While they may look the same, they will not interchange. I asked this question last year and this is the reply that I received from Barner Bryan:-
A stock 41 Ford Super Deluxe bumper has the two holes for the license plate mounting bracket and the factory bolt holes are 15 3/4" approximately apart centre to centre.
The 42 Deluxe bumper does not have the two license plate mount holes and the factory bolt holes are 13 1/16" apart approximately centre to centre.
Ford apparently used the 41 bumper core and simply re-stamped the holes to provide for the different grille arrangement in 1942. Simply put they spread the bumper guards wider off centre on the 42 application.
Now, I went back last night and looked at the blue 42 Ford you have pictured an did has the license mounting bracket so it could be a correct 41 Super Deluxe bumper but if that is the case I don't know what bumper irons may have been used.
I hope I have not confused you. If you are looking at bumper core for 1942 Deluxe you need the measurements and the understanding it did not have the two holes for the license plate mounting bracket.
While they look the same, the Bumpers will not interchange between the 41 & 42 Fords.

waterboychuck · 08-03-2016, 10:34 AM

There is a guy on the HAMB selling what he calls 46 bumpers for $400 for the pair and they have been rechromed. They also look like super deluxe.
Here's the link.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...mpers.1016939/

mercman from oz · 08-03-2016, 10:38 PM

Those Bumpers are definitely not 1946. They are either 1941 Ford Super Deluxe or 1942 Ford Deluxe, depending where the Bolt Holes are situated. Refer to my Post above for details.

Fibber Mcgee · 09-17-2016, 07:18 PM

Anyone have measurements on the 40 , 41, or 42 bumpers. My bumper has the bolt holes 4 1/2 inches from the outside for the first hole 201/4 for the second and 23 1/2 between the two. That's measured on the inside of the bumper. I'm trying to see what I have on there now. Thanks

mercman from oz · 09-17-2016, 07:30 PM

Someone posted these Scans from the Ford Bible. Hope that this helps?

Fibber Mcgee · 09-17-2016, 11:53 PM

I'm sure mine isn't original so there aren't any part numbers on it . I was hoping to get measurements so I can compare the three years.

Fibber Mcgee · 09-18-2016, 01:12 PM

Anyone with a 40, 41 or a 42 and a tape measure?

Karl Wescott · 09-18-2016, 03:05 PM

A caution on using the "green bible", often replacement part numbers are shown and the superseded number not given... Note the 1941 rear bumper bars listed with a "21A-" prefix, which is a 1942 part. While the 1942 bar may fit just fine there may be a different 1941 part out there. A 1941 chassis parts book would be a better guide.

08-01-2016, 01:08 AM	#1
Fibber Mcgee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Callahan Fla Posts: 1,149	Bumper interchangeability My avatar car doesn't have 41 bumpers (or at least they don't look it). The front is fine but the chrome is very bad on the rear. I think they might be 40 bumpers but I'm not sure. I'm okay with the look and since 41 bumpers are not very common I thought of trying to get a bumper to match the front for the rear. My questions are , are 40 and 41 interchangeable size wise and is there an easy way to identify what year they could be? __________________ Wanted, a car with a " Dynaflex Superflowing Unijet Turbovasculator which is Syncromeshed to the Multicoil Hydrotensioned Dual vacuum Dynomometer. "

08-01-2016, 08:07 AM	#2
Juergen Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 500	Re: Bumper interchangeability Do you have the "Green Bible"? It gives you a sketch of the 40 and 41 bumpers. The 40 bumpers and arms have the 01A prefix whereas the 41 bumpers and arms have the 011 prefix. But since the frame widths are the same, I would guess that they are interchangeable. As far as looks, the 41 passenger super deluxe had a crease in the center with the bottom ends slightly slanted inwards. The 40 and the other 41s look like their ends were rounded. That is all I could dig up.

08-01-2016, 08:21 AM	#3
Charlie ny BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,019	Re: Bumper interchangeability FM, I seem to recall the very base '41 passenger cars used '40 bumpers. The unique '41 bumpers were used on all passenger cars except the base line models. I think the base models were referred to as SPECIALS, the others were DELUXE and SUPER DELUXE. Charlie ny

08-01-2016, 12:23 PM	#4
Fibber Mcgee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Callahan Fla Posts: 1,149	Re: Bumper interchangeability I don't have the green bible (maybe it's time for the investment ) my car is the deluxe but if the special bumpers are 40s I'm okay with that . I could get mine replated but that would probably be more than just buying another. __________________ Wanted, a car with a " Dynaflex Superflowing Unijet Turbovasculator which is Syncromeshed to the Multicoil Hydrotensioned Dual vacuum Dynomometer. "

08-01-2016, 11:20 PM	#5
fordor41 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: elmira,ny Posts: 1,516	Re: Bumper interchangeability If the '40 & '41 bumpers are not interchangeable then I assume the bumper irons, bumper guards will also have to be changed. May be easier to rechrome or buy repros.

08-02-2016, 09:22 AM	#6
42fred Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Olean,New York Posts: 17	Re: Bumper interchangeability Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) 1940-1941 bumpers are not interchangeable the 1941 Ford body is wider then the 1940 body. They may look the same but they are different. You will have to rechrome your 1941 bumpers. Fred

08-02-2016, 09:32 AM	#7
hook00pad Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 105	Re: Bumper interchangeability 41 to 48 should be the same length, if you aren't too concerned with authenticity.

08-02-2016, 04:44 PM	#10
Fibber Mcgee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Callahan Fla Posts: 1,149	Re: Bumper interchangeability Okay, so is it just the super deluxe that has the ridges? I was thinking that all bumpers were the same on 41 cars but from the green bible pictures (thanks waterboychuck) the deluxe and special bumpers are the same style as the 40 bumpers which means mine should be 41 bumpers. Now I'm looking for a 41 rear bumper I guess. __________________ Wanted, a car with a " Dynaflex Superflowing Unijet Turbovasculator which is Syncromeshed to the Multicoil Hydrotensioned Dual vacuum Dynomometer. "

08-02-2016, 05:09 PM	#11
mrtexas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 4,395	Re: Bumper interchangeability Just paid $500 to re-chrome 41 bumper. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940-1941-OR...NXmR-R&vxp=mtr

08-02-2016, 06:08 PM	#12
rustythumb Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: orange co. ca. Posts: 178	Re: Bumper interchangeability also, all '41 rear bumpers have the ford script stamped into the center!

08-02-2016, 07:45 PM	#13
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,361	Re: Bumper interchangeability I know that Fibber Mcgee is talking about the Bumpers on his 1941 Ford, but it is interesting to note that Ford also "mixed" the Bumpers on the 1942 Ford. If you look at this 1942 Ford Deluxe, you would think that it was fitted with 1941 Ford Super Deluxe Bumpers. While they may look the same, they will not interchange. I asked this question last year and this is the reply that I received from Barner Bryan:- A stock 41 Ford Super Deluxe bumper has the two holes for the license plate mounting bracket and the factory bolt holes are 15 3/4" approximately apart centre to centre. The 42 Deluxe bumper does not have the two license plate mount holes and the factory bolt holes are 13 1/16" apart approximately centre to centre. Ford apparently used the 41 bumper core and simply re-stamped the holes to provide for the different grille arrangement in 1942. Simply put they spread the bumper guards wider off centre on the 42 application. Now, I went back last night and looked at the blue 42 Ford you have pictured an did has the license mounting bracket so it could be a correct 41 Super Deluxe bumper but if that is the case I don't know what bumper irons may have been used. I hope I have not confused you. If you are looking at bumper core for 1942 Deluxe you need the measurements and the understanding it did not have the two holes for the license plate mounting bracket. While they look the same, the Bumpers will not interchange between the 41 & 42 Fords.

08-03-2016, 10:34 AM	#14
waterboychuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Nine Mile Falls,WA Posts: 900	Re: Bumper interchangeability There is a guy on the HAMB selling what he calls 46 bumpers for $400 for the pair and they have been rechromed. They also look like super deluxe. Here's the link. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...mpers.1016939/ __________________ The sign of a good craftsman is how well they cover up their mistakes.

08-03-2016, 10:38 PM	#15
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,361	Re: Bumper interchangeability Those Bumpers are definitely not 1946. They are either 1941 Ford Super Deluxe or 1942 Ford Deluxe, depending where the Bolt Holes are situated. Refer to my Post above for details.

09-17-2016, 07:18 PM	#16
Fibber Mcgee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Callahan Fla Posts: 1,149	Re: Bumper interchangeability Anyone have measurements on the 40 , 41, or 42 bumpers. My bumper has the bolt holes 4 1/2 inches from the outside for the first hole 201/4 for the second and 23 1/2 between the two. That's measured on the inside of the bumper. I'm trying to see what I have on there now. Thanks __________________ Wanted, a car with a " Dynaflex Superflowing Unijet Turbovasculator which is Syncromeshed to the Multicoil Hydrotensioned Dual vacuum Dynomometer. "

09-17-2016, 11:53 PM	#18
Fibber Mcgee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Callahan Fla Posts: 1,149	Re: Bumper interchangeability I'm sure mine isn't original so there aren't any part numbers on it . I was hoping to get measurements so I can compare the three years. __________________ Wanted, a car with a " Dynaflex Superflowing Unijet Turbovasculator which is Syncromeshed to the Multicoil Hydrotensioned Dual vacuum Dynomometer. "

09-18-2016, 01:12 PM	#19
Fibber Mcgee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Callahan Fla Posts: 1,149	Re: Bumper interchangeability Anyone with a 40, 41 or a 42 and a tape measure? __________________ Wanted, a car with a " Dynaflex Superflowing Unijet Turbovasculator which is Syncromeshed to the Multicoil Hydrotensioned Dual vacuum Dynomometer. "

09-18-2016, 03:05 PM	#20
Karl Wescott Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,283	Re: Bumper interchangeability A caution on using the "green bible", often replacement part numbers are shown and the superseded number not given... Note the 1941 rear bumper bars listed with a "21A-" prefix, which is a 1942 part. While the 1942 bar may fit just fine there may be a different 1941 part out there. A 1941 chassis parts book would be a better guide.