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Old 03-17-2014, 09:22 PM   #1
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OK, really odd question here. I've been fortunate enough to have a dad who started on a 1930 Model A back in the 70s. As life would have it, well, life happened. The thing is, he lost interest in it and has said he would give me what he has. The car is not anywhere near complete, has never been titled, and has no vin number. This is one of those cars that is being built piece by piece. He has the receipts for the chassis, the engine, and the body. How would we go about getting those transferred over to me without getting it titled as of yet? Would it be as simple as going down to a notary with a "bill of sale" stating the intention of having those parts change ownership? This is in the state of Texas. Thanks in advance.

Sorry, this is the second post on this I've done. Put it over in questions & suggestions and then realized it was site questions and suggestions.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:29 PM   #2
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Is the motor for a model a? The motor should have numbers that you might could title it off of. Or if it's a original model a frame there should be numbers on it. There are ways to do it. Might take some work. There is allways a bonded title route.
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Its a 327 Chevy engine.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:32 PM   #4
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Depends a great deal on what state you are in. There are several ways to get it done, but the rules vary from state to state. Does your Engine have a VIN? The frame may have one as well, if so, it is listed on the top of the frame rail, about where your left foot would rest if you were driving it.
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Then look into the method of getting a "reconstructed" or home built title
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Its a 327 Chevy engine.
The engine would still have a VIN, note that this forum is pretty much for stock, or lightly modified A's, not many Chevy V-8's here.
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The engine would still have a VIN, note that this forum is pretty much for stock, or lightly modified A's, not many Chevy V-8's here.
Ah, ok. Just dead stuck on this one. Not sure how to go about this. The ideas are helpful though.
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I have titled a few cars. By just using the numbers off a engine block. I titled a 24 roadster last year. Using a old block I dug out of a pile of old junk parts at my grandfathers.
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What State are you in? Others here have been through the process in every state in the union.
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Using a block that goes with the year of the car.
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What State are you in?
Texas.
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What year of model a is it?
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This link may help.http://www.bipac.net/semaga/TagTitleToolbox_TX.pdf

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Texas.
K, someone familiar with Texas rules will probably chime in eventually.
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Have you looked at the Texas DMV site, you can apply for a bonded title

the serial # is as follows--
13.2 Motor Numbers
The motor number is recognized as the identifying number on all Ford products
manufactured prior to March 31, 1932; and, if necessary, an assigned number may be
issued by the department. The frame or body serial number is recognized as the
identifying number on Ford products manufactured after that date, except as listed below:
• Most Ford vehicles manufactured in a foreign country have a motor number stamped
on the block, and for models prior to1956, this number should be shown on the
application for title.
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Have you looked at the Texas DMV site, you can apply for a bonded title

the serial # is as follows--
13.2 Motor Numbers
The motor number is recognized as the identifying number on all Ford products
manufactured prior to March 31, 1932; and, if necessary, an assigned number may be
issued by the department. The frame or body serial number is recognized as the
identifying number on Ford products manufactured after that date, except as listed below:
• Most Ford vehicles manufactured in a foreign country have a motor number stamped
on the block, and for models prior to1956, this number should be shown on the
application for title.

It doesn't have the original engine so the serial number does not apply in this case.

Here in Florida it would get a AFP (assembled from parts) title. The title would show the year it was titled no matter what parts are used. Technically if you were to assemble a car with all period Model A parts it is supposed to get an AFP title for with the year it was completed.
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Its a 327 Chevy engine.
May i suggest also posting the question on the HAMB site. The focus on the hot rod part of the hobby.
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:40 AM   #18
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Have your dad write a bill of sale for the parts noting in the BoS that they are unassembled. Engine, frame, body, etc. I've been told by a friend in the classic car business that starting sept. 1 of last year, the rules for bonded title changed, making it much more difficult.
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:25 AM   #19
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Just a thought... It may be easier if your dad were to go through the title process, then sell you the titled car.
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:54 AM   #20
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Depending on the state laws....

You are building a car from scratch. It is not a 1930 model A it is 'street rod' and you need to go look up the process for getting it titled.

Many states consider a car modified beyond a certain point no long the original car and the original title does not apply. Here in NJ they are pulling titles on rods and making them get a new title. You are being required to send in pictures of the car when you register and renew the registrations and that is how they are catching them. Keep in mind they make the car (in NJ) meet the emissions of the year of manufacture of the motor. So you drop in a 2014 engine you have to put in all the other crap.

Having a correct title may improve resale as I believe there will be a stronger trend to towards finding rod titled with original titles. The states make too much off the higher value of the cars in taxes. Granted for now you can fly under the radar, in the future things may change.
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