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Old 07-01-2011, 01:46 PM   #1
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Beware of H&H Flatheads.
I Dan Schwartz bought from Jody Martin a 59AB block that was repaired and machine by H&H Flatheads of La Crescenta, Ca.

The motor has been used for about two thousands miles with the results of:
  • Eight sleeves that were installed and bored and honed were done incorrect which has resulted in heavy blow by and excessive oil use. The sleeves have moved down in the block two thousands of an inch. The metal in sleeve no 2 cylinder has failed with small patched of voids in the cylinder walls. Water is leaking into cylinders 1 and 2.
  • The sealer paint that was used was done wrong which resulted in the paint flaking and got into the oil passages.

H&H will not stand behind there work and refuses to compensate me for my loses.


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Old 07-01-2011, 01:55 PM   #2
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well good luck with your dispute and sorry for you misfortune.....was Jody Martin part of H&H or a third party? if its a third party in between you and H&H i can see their reluctance to settle with you.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:03 PM   #3
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i trust that you have done an accurate inspection, before you posted these remarks.
here is your quote: "The sleeves have moved down in the block two thousands of an inch."
since normal copy paper is about four thousands ( .004") are you saying the sleeves have moved down 1/2 the thickness of a piece of common paper? how did you measure that?
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:11 PM   #4
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Thank you for your replay 2 thousands 4 thousands the sleeves have moved down in the block and the metal in sleeve cylinder 2 has failed and is leaking water into the cylinder.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:45 PM   #5
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Pictures would be helpful. So would correct grammar.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:58 PM   #6
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Thank you for the reply and the grammer lesson, sending you a picture of the block assembled I am looking for a picture of the block now with the sleeves moved.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:23 PM   #7
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I always stand behind my work but after 5 years and trading hands a warranty is out of the question on a machined block. To crack the block between cylinders shows over torquing. So no there can not be warranty after 5 years. I have built a reputation of standing behind my engines but this is way past the deadline. I am sorry this block did not work out but I am not in the position to hand out money 5 years later based on your word you assembled the engine correctly and never over heated the engine. If you came to me instead of the Internet I would have machined a new block for you.
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Old 07-05-2011, 12:50 AM   #8
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I am not in the position to hand out money 5 years later based on your word you assembled the engine correctly and never over heated the engine.

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Old 07-01-2011, 03:36 PM   #9
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Mike,
Your last sentence is not good to read. I take it as you saying "if you would have not told everyone I would have fixed it but now that you told everyone, I don't want to" I would have stuck with the 5 years later and owner assembled motor, may have overheated for voiding the warranty.
"If you came to me instead of the Internet I would have machined a new block for you." Really?

I am not trying to pick a fight,,,I have not used H&H and would if I needed a flathead. Just voicing my oponion. This is an open forum.
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Old 07-01-2011, 04:11 PM   #10
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Mike,
Your last sentence is not good to read. I take it as you saying "if you would have not told everyone I would have fixed it but now that you told everyone, I don't want to" I would have stuck with the 5 years later and owner assembled motor, may have overheated for voiding the warranty.
"If you came to me instead of the Internet I would have machined a new block for you." Really?

I am not trying to pick a fight,,,I have not used H&H and would if I needed a flathead. Just voicing my opinion. This is an open forum.
That is not what I meant by that buy that but it is always better to contact the parties involved rather than trying to spread misrepresentation on a forum.
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Old 07-01-2011, 05:31 PM   #11
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This is fun.

I once watched an episode of "Paper Chase" therefore I'm qualified to post.

Schwartz v. H&H

1. Does Schwartz have grounds to seek compensation from H&H for an engine block machined by H&H, but purchased from 3rd party, Jody Martin, the original purchaser from H&H?

2. Did Schwartz enter into a contract at any time with H&H?

3. Did Schwartz receive a warranty from either Jody Martin or H&H?

4. If any warranty existed after 5 years, did Jody Martin have the power to convey that warranty to Schwartz?

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Old 07-01-2011, 03:47 PM   #12
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Beware of H&H Flatheads.
I Dan Schwartz bought from Jody Martin a 59AB block that was repaired and machine by H&H Flatheads of La Crescenta, Ca.

The motor has been used for about two thousands miles with the results of:
  • Eight sleeves that were installed and bored and honed were done incorrect which has resulted in heavy blow by and excessive oil use. The sleeves have moved down in the block two thousands of an inch. The metal in sleeve no 2 cylinder has failed with small patched of voids in the cylinder walls. Water is leaking into cylinders 1 and 2.
  • The sealer paint that was used was done wrong which resulted in the paint flaking and got into the oil passages.

H&H will not stand behind there work and refuses to compensate me for my loses.

In your quote you state h&H refuses compensation either you spoke to him or you didn't. Which is it?
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:54 PM   #13
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I did my homework on H+H before contracting them to put together a turn-key engine for me. I like the fact that they are a family owned business and I know other customers that have been happy with their work. They take their jobs seriously and believe they would have worked with Mr. Schwartz if he had taken the time to talk to Mike directly These engines are not cheap to build and investing in someone else to build one is diffently a leap of faith. My opinion
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:07 PM   #14
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My concern is you have no idea what Jody Martin may or may not have done with the engine .... unless you live in the same house. I assume when you said H&H did the work you have documenation with the dates and exact work done. I do not know Jody, H&H, or you so my concern is what is documented as a direct result of H&H versus what is assumed. Unless you can provide a clean documented history of H&H to you one would wonder is a libel suit is a more appropriate discussion. Can you provide such documentation????? If you can not then I think that an internet discussion in inappropriate.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:31 PM   #15
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I think H&H are quite right. 5 years is way too long, and in 99% of cases, the warranty only applies to the original purchaser, ie: Jody Martin.
Sorry DS, I dont think you have a case. FWIW: H&H are one of the most respected flathead shops in business,
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:34 PM   #16
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I can only speak to the dealings I've had with Mike at H&H.
If all my customers practiced business the way Mike does, the world would be a better place. Not once in over 50 transactions have I ever been disappointed.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:51 PM   #17
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dschwartz- Dan, H&H flatheads are the best of people & machine shop no better person than Mike, I agree with Scott De Shields and others like Uncle Max you can add me to bunch also. Harold central coast Ca.
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:47 PM   #18
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Explain to me why H&H should stand behind a 2nd party sale. Must be on a differant planet. Go after the guy you bought it from not someone that did the work 5 years ago. I must be missing something here.
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:53 PM   #19
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Sorry, Mr Schwartz,I don't beileve you got a case against H&H .In fact they could have a case against you .JMHO.
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