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Old 09-21-2013, 08:36 AM   #1
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I'm in a flathead Facebook group and one of the guys posted this picture of a dual plug flat head. Any one know what the heck this is?

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Old 09-21-2013, 08:42 AM   #2
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Those heads were floated over on the HAMB quite a while back and no one identified them there. They look to only have partial water cooling which may not have been a good thing. At least one other manufacturer tried something similar and it too didn't go over well with the early rodders. My guess would be for boat racing since most of the dual plug stuff was developed for that.
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:46 AM   #3
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Wonder why the plugs are there, but not wired up?
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Old 09-21-2013, 11:02 AM   #4
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It might be aircraft. Planes are required to have a twin plug setup.
It would be a BIG project to set up a twin firing setup, when an automobile didn't really need it. Probably, that is why both plugs are not wired.
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It might be aircraft. Planes are required to have a twin plug setup.
It would be a BIG project to set up a twin firing setup, when an automobile didn't really need it. Probably, that is why both plugs are not wired.
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Early aircraft engines were not required to have dual ignitions. For example this flathead that powered the 'Arrow'

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I have seen old fire truck engines with dual ignition, but never a flathead Ford. Yet it could be a possibility.

Note the fins for extra cooling I would guess.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:03 PM   #7
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Early aircraft engines were not required to have dual ignitions. For example this flathead that powered the 'Arrow'

Perhaps, in the early days, it was not required. I have read, where it is required, now. I'm sure that a dual system has saved many lives. What was the year of the "ARROW" ?
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Perhaps, in the early days, it was not required. I have read, where it is required, now. I'm sure that a dual system has saved many lives. What was the year of the "ARROW" ?
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That was 1937
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Perhaps, in the early days, it was not required. I have read, where it is required, now. I'm sure that a dual system has saved many lives. What was the year of the "ARROW" ?
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Mike,
I am no aviation scholar but in the early years it was anything goes. The engine that 51 Merc pictured is definitely an aircraft or air boat engine. Note the propeller flange and the gear reduction. Some Pietenpol airplanes were powered by the Model A engine and I doubt if it had dual ignition.

However you are right about dual ignition saving lives.

We have a 1946 Aeronca Champ and it has dual ignition. That is the earliest airplane I have flown.

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...The engine that 51 Merc pictured is definitely an aircraft or air boat engine. Note the propeller flange and the gear reduction...

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Shadetree, The carburetor in 51 Merc's picture appears to be tilted backward. Would this mean that it more likely was a boat engine than a plane engine?
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They appear to be Fenton, see the casting just under the radiator hose.
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They appear to be Fenton, see the casting just under the radiator hose.
What radiator hose. Boat or airplane both are/were air cooled. JMO
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Early aircraft engines were not required to have dual ignition. For instance a Taylorcraft A model with a 40 Horsepower Continental engine did not have dual ignition.
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What radiator hose. Boat or airplane both are/were air cooled. JMO
Not very many air-cooled boat engines out there. DD
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Shadetree, The carburetor in 51 Merc's picture appears to be tilted backward. Would this mean that it more likely was a boat engine than a plane engine?
The 'tilt' is because of the angle the picture was taken, the engine is indeed out of an aircraft, not a boat.
The same as this 1936 version of the same type aircraft.
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:39 PM   #16
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Awesome pic........ love the exhaust !!
Guy on right looks like F1 driver David Coulthard
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Not very many air-cooled boat engines out there. DD
Sorry. My brain was out to the cleaners when I wrote that. LOL
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Old 09-21-2013, 07:09 PM   #18
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That's a great photo of flathead powering an airplane, duel ignition or plugs or not. This is a great site, with folks that have really varied interests and knowledge. Learn something new every time I go on it. Thanks
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There was at least one brand of airplane that ran a model A engine inverted and 1 plug per cylinder, but i lost my mind and can not remember the name. I am sure someone else will remember.
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Pietenpol Air Camper eventually used Model A engine as standard. DD
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I got my mind back. It was a Funk Airplane.
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Funks actually used an inverted Model B. DD
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Shadetree, The carburetor in 51 Merc's picture appears to be tilted backward. Would this mean that it more likely was a boat engine than a plane engine?
The carb does appear to be tilted but another Barner says itís the picture.

I can't see any advantage to either application. Interesting engines.
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Old 09-22-2013, 05:26 PM   #24
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I believe it was KONG that offered a two plug per cyc. head, early 50's...and NASH had a 16 plug wire dist, and didn't Bubbna show use a 16 plug wire dist, a short wile back, and next to impossible to find parts for. ??? ....OLD....BILL
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They appear to be Fenton, see the casting just under the radiator hose.
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What radiator hose. Boat or airplane both are/were air cooled. JMO
The first photo is clearly in an automobile. I'd hazard a guess at a '32 based on the angle of the radiator inlets, position of the steering shaft, and what looks to be a foot of the '32 firewall.
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Old 09-24-2013, 01:20 AM   #26
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Lawson, Marine engines are water cooled.
Most cars are Indirect air cooled.(the heat transfer is via a radiator)
It's the terminology, Direct air cooling or indirect air cooling.

No one seems to know about the heads.
The cooling fins appear to run the wrong way.
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Old 09-24-2013, 04:09 AM   #27
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I believe it was KONG that offered a two plug per cyc. head, early 50's...and NASH had a 16 plug wire dist, and didn't Bubbna show use a 16 plug wire dist, a short wile back, and next to impossible to find parts for. ??? ....OLD....BILL
Here in New Zealand there were twin plug heads made in the 50s or 60s by Ron Hogan, of which some survive today. I believe his son Garth may still have the patterns and may have produced some.
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