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29Roadster · 11-19-2015, 09:24 PM

I am working on a what appears to be an early 28 Phaeton. But what I don't know is how early. Some of the things I've noticed is no dovetails in the doors or on the body, no outside door handles, left hand e break, and something I've not seen before . The rivets that hold the cowl lacing to the cowl are installed from the inside of the body , not like the other ones I've seen where both sides of the rivets can be seen from under the hood. That means that the firewall and cowl panels are different. Does anybody know how early this might be? Interested in knowing more about this body! Thanks for looking Don.

mrtexas · 11-19-2015, 10:45 PM

You mean like this? My engine number is 190xxx. Can't remember what the gas tank said, painter filled the number in with paint .

Rowdy · 11-19-2015, 10:55 PM

Yes the cowl panel is 1" narrower and the lacing and rivets are installed differently. The change to the later cowl panel was in June or July of 28. The early June of 28 Business coupe still had these. The July of 28 tudor body I salvaged for the lower quarter panels had the later style. Rod

Steve Plucker · 11-19-2015, 11:32 PM

Does your Phaeton body have two screw heads or rivet heads (right and left) just under the windshield post on the outside?

Not sure if this applies to the Phaetons (and Roadsters) or not but it does on early Coupes and Tudors. The screw heads are of early vintage but do not know when the change was.

Is there a date on the gas tank? That process started in May of 1928.

Pluck

Hoogah · 11-20-2015, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 29Roadster

I am working on a what appears to be an early 28 Phaeton. . . . . . The rivets that hold the cowl lacing to the cowl are installed from the inside of the body , not like the other ones I've seen where both sides of the rivets can be seen from under the hood. That means that the firewall and cowl panels are different. Does anybody know how early this might be? Interested in knowing more about this body! Thanks for looking Don.

My June '28 phaeton (Canadian built, Australian assembly) has the same cowl lacing arrangement. Fuel tank is stamped 6-3-28.

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Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

Does your Phaeton body have two screw heads or rivet heads (right and left) just under the windshield post on the outside?

Not sure if this applies to the Phaetons (and Roadsters) or not but it does on early Coupes and Tudors. The screw heads are of early vintage but do not know when the change was.

Is there a date on the gas tank? That process started in May of 1928.

Pluck

Can't see what you're referring to on my phaeton, Pluck.

29Roadster · 11-20-2015, 07:18 PM

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Mrtexas has the right picture. Gas tank is missing so no date. Always fun to learn new things, thanks for all the great info. Don.

Steve Plucker · 11-20-2015, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoogah

My June '28 phaeton (Canadian built, Australian assembly) has the same cowl lacing arrangement. Fuel tank is stamped 6-3-28.

Can't see what you're referring to on my phaeton, Pluck.

I do not think that Roadsters or Phaetons had them.

Coupes and Tudor did...Maybe I can get Tom to post.

Pluck

glenn in camino · 11-20-2015, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rowdy

Yes the cowl panel is 1" narrower and the lacing and rivets are installed differently. The change to the later cowl panel was in June or July of 28. The early June of 28 Business coupe still had these. The July of 28 tudor body I salvaged for the lower quarter panels had the later style. Rod

My 6/1/28 tudor has the early cowl. The lacing rivets are difficult to install. I had a friend help me.

mot · 11-20-2015, 11:37 PM

heres the two screws,installed not the rivets like the later vehicles

Phred · 11-21-2015, 12:59 PM

My '28 phaeton (234,971), 06-25-28 has the cowl lacing rivets installed from the interior and does not have any screws or rivets under the windshield post.

Steve Plucker · 11-21-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Phred

My '28 phaeton (234,971), 06-25-28 has the cowl lacing rivets installed from the interior and does not have any screws or rivets under the windshield post.

And it should not...It only applies to Coupes and Tudors.

Pluck

Phred · 11-21-2015, 09:07 PM

Thanks for the info

11-19-2015, 09:24 PM	#1
29Roadster Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Holland, Mi Posts: 214	Early 28 question? I am working on a what appears to be an early 28 Phaeton. But what I don't know is how early. Some of the things I've noticed is no dovetails in the doors or on the body, no outside door handles, left hand e break, and something I've not seen before . The rivets that hold the cowl lacing to the cowl are installed from the inside of the body , not like the other ones I've seen where both sides of the rivets can be seen from under the hood. That means that the firewall and cowl panels are different. Does anybody know how early this might be? Interested in knowing more about this body! Thanks for looking Don.

11-19-2015, 10:45 PM	#2
mrtexas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 4,395	Re: Early 28 question? You mean like this? My engine number is 190xxx. Can't remember what the gas tank said, painter filled the number in with paint .

11-19-2015, 10:55 PM	#3
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11-19-2015, 11:32 PM	#4
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: Early 28 question? Does your Phaeton body have two screw heads or rivet heads (right and left) just under the windshield post on the outside? Not sure if this applies to the Phaetons (and Roadsters) or not but it does on early Coupes and Tudors. The screw heads are of early vintage but do not know when the change was. Is there a date on the gas tank? That process started in May of 1928. Pluck Last edited by Steve Plucker; 11-19-2015 at 11:37 PM.

11-20-2015, 07:18 PM	#6
29Roadster Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Holland, Mi Posts: 214	Re: Early 28 question? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Mrtexas has the right picture. Gas tank is missing so no date. Always fun to learn new things, thanks for all the great info. Don.

11-21-2015, 12:59 PM	#10
Phred Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: IL Posts: 303	Re: Early 28 question? My '28 phaeton (234,971), 06-25-28 has the cowl lacing rivets installed from the interior and does not have any screws or rivets under the windshield post.

11-21-2015, 09:07 PM	#12
Phred Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: IL Posts: 303	Re: Early 28 question? Thanks for the info