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louieglen · 12-10-2017, 04:17 PM

How does a car drive with too much toein, I mean like 3/4 of an inch? Thanks

daren007 · 12-10-2017, 04:54 PM

Lousy.

JDupuis · 12-10-2017, 04:59 PM

You will get extreme wear on your tires in a short period, let alone the increased wear on the front bearings. It would probably zig and zag with every uneven surface of the road.
Jeff

AL in NY · 12-10-2017, 05:16 PM

Learn how to read your tires. Using your finger, check out the edges of your thread pattern parallel to the side of the tire. If the inside edge is sharp compared to a more rounded outside edge, you have too much toe in. If the outside edge is sharp compared to a more rounded inside edge, you have too much toe out. If both edges feel slightly rounded, your toe in is set correctly.

KGBnut · 12-10-2017, 06:49 PM

I can tell you from experience that it will EAT your tires. However, I found that the car handled okay in spite of the excessive toe. I think the previous owner intentionally adjusted the toe in so extremely to eliminate a front end wobble. I brought the wishbone ball back to original and redid the kingpins. After that, I set the toe where it should be and the wobble was no longer an issue.

Ken

hardtimes · 12-11-2017, 01:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by louieglen

How does a car drive with too much toein, I mean like 3/4 of an inch? Thanks

'how does car drive' ?
You will not enjoy driving a car in such condition.
This discourages usage and also is a safety issue.
Also, adds to wear/tear on vehicle parts and hard wear on tires !

SeaSlugs · 12-11-2017, 02:21 PM

Might be someones "fix" for sloppy front end parts so by the time the car is moving the slack is taken out.

But yes what has been said is all true - also it wouldn't coast very well at that much toe.

first thing id do is jack up each side and pull and tug on the wheel to see if theres any slop in the kingpins/steering linkages and fix all that stuff first as resetting the toe isnt fixing a potential problem.

pooch · 12-11-2017, 04:11 PM

3/4 inch toe in will make the car plough forward.

Chop out the insides of the tyres, but will steer somewhat Ok (straight).

3/4 inch toe out, will make the car wander and dart either way at the slightest road undulation and will chop the outsides of the tyres out.

dumb person · 12-12-2017, 01:24 AM

It'll drive like it's under water.

duke36 · 12-13-2017, 11:39 AM

easy to adjust the toe-in with a home made jig. Mark the center line of tire treads with masking tape (on a level floor) and equal vertical measurements both sides to floor as close to axle center as possible. Push car forward or back for front or rear measurement marks on tape to 1/16 to 1/8" more at tire rear. Also, vendors or internet have gauges. See the Service Bulletins to see how high up from floor marks should be to clear the radius rods, etc..
Others may have different methods

Purdy Swoft · 12-13-2017, 01:44 PM

I set mine at 1/16 plus or minus 1/32 . If a person isn't use to setting toe in it would be best to hav it checked and adjusted at a good front end alignment shop .

Correct toein helps keep the wheels going in a straight line . Toe out will usually cause shimmy or death wobble . Too much toe in will cause drag and tire wear . Three quarter inch toein would cause noticeable power loss .

BILL WILLIAMSON · 12-13-2017, 01:57 PM

I jist "eyeball" it & if tires wear EVEN, I jist fergit it.---YES, UR tires can "talk" to you, jist like my Dog "talks" to me---LOL
Lazy Mayor Bill W.

pooch · 12-13-2017, 05:31 PM

I bungey cord a 6 ft straight edge to each front wheel, so they stick out the front .

Sit the out front lengths on 2 milkcrates .

The distance where toe in is measured is about 26 inches (for a 21 inch wheel) at the tyre walls.

I simply put 2 marks out front on the straight edges 26 inches apart and measure there.

No need to move car or crawl under it to measure.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 12-14-2017, 10:16 AM

Try two, 15 Foot 2 X 4s, placed alongside the front & rear tires???---"About" as accurate as some other "strange" methods.
Ever hear about Front End Alignment Shops???
Bill Sawone!

duke36 · 12-14-2017, 11:52 AM

Bill in post 14 is correct; we use 2x's to help insure the front/ back wheels are in line with each other.

desotoguy · 12-15-2017, 08:05 AM

While the 2x4 method seems like a very good idea, go to the local building supply and try to find (2) 16 footers that are STRAIGHT. Better take a good pair of gloves and lunch, you are going to be there awhile.

Purdy Swoft · 12-15-2017, 02:21 PM

I agree , The yard man will always try to put the crooked lumber off on you .

pooch · 12-15-2017, 05:42 PM

And IS a model A the same track front and back exactly ?

If it was from the factory, too many variables now anyway.

Firstly the 2X4 would have to be mid height on the wheels, as the front has camber and the top and bottom of the tyre are not the same distance apart from side to side.

And secondly, what if the rear axle taper is worn and the hub is further on, again changing track.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 12-15-2017, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

I agree , The yard man will always try to put the crooked lumber off on you .

I purposely bought the REAL Crookedy Lumber, CHEAP & built RUSTIC lookin' BENCHES/ETC & salvaged through their "throw away" bin, for FREEBIES.
I also hung around the lot, lookin' for someone with a purchase that wouldn't fit in their car & made $$$$$$s, hauling it for them I should have bought an "AA" Flatbed!
Bill Moneyhungry

BILL WILLIAMSON · 12-15-2017, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooch

And IS a model A the same track front and back exactly ?

If it was from the factory, too many variables now anyway.

Firstly the 2X4 would have to be mid height on the wheels, as the front has camber and the top and bottom of the tyre are not the same distance apart from side to side.

And secondly, what if the rear axle taper is worn and the hub is further on, again changing track.

WELL, Pooch,
I'm CROOKEDY, from Polio, in 1937, but I get by fairly well
Bill Leaning

12-10-2017, 04:17 PM	#1
louieglen Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218	Toein How does a car drive with too much toein, I mean like 3/4 of an inch? Thanks

12-10-2017, 04:54 PM	#2
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 745	Re: Toein Lousy.

12-10-2017, 04:59 PM	#3
JDupuis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Maryhill Ont Canada Posts: 834	Re: Toein You will get extreme wear on your tires in a short period, let alone the increased wear on the front bearings. It would probably zig and zag with every uneven surface of the road. Jeff __________________ Let's let pylons, be pylons!

12-10-2017, 05:16 PM	#4
AL in NY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Upstate New York Posts: 1,160	Re: Toein Learn how to read your tires. Using your finger, check out the edges of your thread pattern parallel to the side of the tire. If the inside edge is sharp compared to a more rounded outside edge, you have too much toe in. If the outside edge is sharp compared to a more rounded inside edge, you have too much toe out. If both edges feel slightly rounded, your toe in is set correctly. __________________ AL in NY

12-10-2017, 06:49 PM	#5
KGBnut Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southwestern Connecticut Posts: 931	Re: Toein I can tell you from experience that it will EAT your tires. However, I found that the car handled okay in spite of the excessive toe. I think the previous owner intentionally adjusted the toe in so extremely to eliminate a front end wobble. I brought the wishbone ball back to original and redid the kingpins. After that, I set the toe where it should be and the wobble was no longer an issue. Ken __________________ Style beats speed any day, and with a lot fewer tickets.

12-11-2017, 02:21 PM	#7
SeaSlugs Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 3,968	Re: Toein Might be someones "fix" for sloppy front end parts so by the time the car is moving the slack is taken out. But yes what has been said is all true - also it wouldn't coast very well at that much toe. first thing id do is jack up each side and pull and tug on the wheel to see if theres any slop in the kingpins/steering linkages and fix all that stuff first as resetting the toe isnt fixing a potential problem. __________________ 1929 Model AA - Need long splash aprons!

12-11-2017, 04:11 PM	#8
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: Toein 3/4 inch toe in will make the car plough forward. Chop out the insides of the tyres, but will steer somewhat Ok (straight). 3/4 inch toe out, will make the car wander and dart either way at the slightest road undulation and will chop the outsides of the tyres out.

12-12-2017, 01:24 AM	#9
dumb person Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South pacific island Posts: 1,724	Re: Toein It'll drive like it's under water. __________________ <Link> This is how we roll<Link> "I'm Convinced that no one really reads posts anymore; they just fabricate what they think the post says then ramble on about red herrings."--Bob Outcasts rules of old cars #1 Fun is imperative, mainstream is overrated #2 If they think it is impossible, prove them wrong #3 If the science says it impossible you are not being creative enough. #4 No shame in recreating something you never had #5 If it were not for the law & physics you would be unstoppable

12-13-2017, 11:39 AM	#10
duke36 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,414	Re: Toein easy to adjust the toe-in with a home made jig. Mark the center line of tire treads with masking tape (on a level floor) and equal vertical measurements both sides to floor as close to axle center as possible. Push car forward or back for front or rear measurement marks on tape to 1/16 to 1/8" more at tire rear. Also, vendors or internet have gauges. See the Service Bulletins to see how high up from floor marks should be to clear the radius rods, etc.. Others may have different methods

12-13-2017, 01:44 PM	#11
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Toein I set mine at 1/16 plus or minus 1/32 . If a person isn't use to setting toe in it would be best to hav it checked and adjusted at a good front end alignment shop . Correct toein helps keep the wheels going in a straight line . Toe out will usually cause shimmy or death wobble . Too much toe in will cause drag and tire wear . Three quarter inch toein would cause noticeable power loss .

12-13-2017, 01:57 PM	#12
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Toein I jist "eyeball" it & if tires wear EVEN, I jist fergit it.---YES, UR tires can "talk" to you, jist like my Dog "talks" to me---LOL Lazy Mayor Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

12-13-2017, 05:31 PM	#13
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: Toein I bungey cord a 6 ft straight edge to each front wheel, so they stick out the front . Sit the out front lengths on 2 milkcrates . The distance where toe in is measured is about 26 inches (for a 21 inch wheel) at the tyre walls. I simply put 2 marks out front on the straight edges 26 inches apart and measure there. No need to move car or crawl under it to measure.

12-14-2017, 10:16 AM	#14
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Toein Try two, 15 Foot 2 X 4s, placed alongside the front & rear tires???---"About" as accurate as some other "strange" methods. Ever hear about Front End Alignment Shops??? Bill Sawone! __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

12-14-2017, 11:52 AM	#15
duke36 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,414	Re: Toein Bill in post 14 is correct; we use 2x's to help insure the front/ back wheels are in line with each other.

12-15-2017, 08:05 AM	#16
desotoguy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Greenwood SC Posts: 294	Re: Toein While the 2x4 method seems like a very good idea, go to the local building supply and try to find (2) 16 footers that are STRAIGHT. Better take a good pair of gloves and lunch, you are going to be there awhile.

12-15-2017, 02:21 PM	#17
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Toein I agree , The yard man will always try to put the crooked lumber off on you .

12-15-2017, 05:42 PM	#18
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: Toein And IS a model A the same track front and back exactly ? If it was from the factory, too many variables now anyway. Firstly the 2X4 would have to be mid height on the wheels, as the front has camber and the top and bottom of the tyre are not the same distance apart from side to side. And secondly, what if the rear axle taper is worn and the hub is further on, again changing track.