nos 3x value

[rogerkb1936]

what is the fair market value of original 3x plugs, still in box? thanx for help.

[[email protected]]

Per their website O'Riley's Autoparts will order the Champion p/n 429 (3X) plugs and they are listed at $19.99 each.

Champion Copper Plus - Spark Plug
Part Number: 429
Line: CHP
2 year limited warranty
UPC: 37551663460
Plug Number: 3X
Ford Model A, B Applications

[jw hash]

that is a good price, but there are the late reproduction ones.

[peters180a/170b]

round top 3 [30/31 style] and make sure end of boxes does not say for "A" and "B" Fords..I paid $350.00 for a set of original correct [round top 3] going on 4 years ago. The set of "A" and "B" plugs $240.00...i have seen as much as $125.00 per plug forsale .Does not mean they sold for that.

[Mitch//pa]

yea petes got it originals go for nice $$$

[AL in NY]

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A nice set of original restored 3x round top plugs without the boxes will go for $250.00 to $300.00.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Youse guys gotta' be KIDDING! If not, somebody's gotta be RICH$$$$$$$ We firing off Vermin on BRAND NEW Champion C16C's, gottem' for FREE! Buster T.

[Joe K]

Makes those TT10s seem like a pretty good deal.

But what price originality, eh? Law of supply and demand. Not too many original left.

Joe K

[Mike V. Florida]

I thought if I lower my expectaions and look for just the porcelin part I would have greater luck but no, still out of my ball park. (bought another powerball ticket today)

[Fred]

Not saying yours are not, but every day on E-Bay some one lists 3X plugs as N.O.S. & they are the every day reproductions still in the original box... Look at some of them and see if yours are different.. The bases have a different type of knurling all the way to the base of it & as said the #3 is also different..

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

I thought if I lower my expectaions and look for just the porcelin part I would have greater luck but no, still out of my ball park. (bought another powerball ticket today)

But 3x hits every time, and powerball only hits once every 358,852,061 times.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

So I guess this is boiling down to what someone calls "original"! Original as in O.E. installed, ...Original as is era Service Replacement, Original as old Reproduction. Yes, the only ones that pass fine-point judging that are restored and ready to install are $100.00-$125.00 each. The price of all others is significantly less. Those get gigged 50% on points due to being reproduction.

[jw hash]

here is some 3X boxes from left to right you have an original model A the one in the middle is from 1932 up and the one on the right is todays reproduction. there is a perfect example of what to look for on eBay right now. 121098994380 there is only one original there, one 32 on. the other two are ones that in 1996 champion made a special run for the 96 MAFCA convention. if you look real close you will see the electrode is one piece with threads on the top, the originals do not have threads on the top they have a cap that cover the electrode and the cap is threaded. I picked up a set of NOS 3X`s in there original boxes a few years back for. $260 but I have seen them go for as high $600 for a set. I sell restored sets from $200 to $250 depending on how good they turn out.

[Fred]

Also take note of the ORIGINAL box on the left with the FLAT top 3, VS. the others !!..

[Bob C]

The auction number in post 13 is wrong, here's the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-Four-...1002cc&vxp=mtr

Bob

[HoarseWhisperer]

They're out there.

Canadian style.

[Big John]

1st clue to look for is::: round top on # 3 is original,,,, flat top on #3 is repro.....be care ful...John

[1931 flamingo]

Big John: You contradict what is posted in #13. Is orig flat top or rounded 3???
Paul in CT

[Rene R]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Per their website O'Riley's Autoparts will order the Champion p/n 429 (3X) plugs and they are listed at $19.99 each.

Thanks for that link. That's a great price, over 1/3 less than the usual Model A parts dealers, and even free shipping. I don't have a show car so these will be perfect for a long-overdue replacement of the old set of Autolites in my '28.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo

Big John: You contradict what is posted in #13. Is orig flat top or rounded 3???
Paul in CT

Where did he ??... They are rounded..

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by jw hash

here is some 3X boxes from left to right you have an original model A the one in the middle is from 1932 up and the one on the right is todays reproduction. there is a perfect example of what to look for on eBay right now. 120198994380 there is only one original there, one 32 on. the other two are ones that in 1996 champion made a special run for the 96 MAFCA convention. if you look real close you will see the electrode is one piece with threads on the top, the originals do not have threads on the top they have a cap that cover the electrode and the cap is threaded. I picked up a set of NOS 3X`s in there original boxes a few years back for. $260 but I have seen them go for as high $600 for a set. I sell restored sets from $200 to $250 depending on how good they turn out.

The metal base knurling is also wrong on those three on the right as discribed in the write up on the auction.

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by rogerkb1936

what is the fair market value of original 3x plugs, still in box? thanx for help.

Hey Roger,
You talking champion (?) FLAT top 3, or champion ROUND top 3? Big difference. For example, I bought a small box of 'stuff' from a guy who had old cars. As I was leaving and passed by another box of 'stuff'...I noticed that the box contained all new in boxes spark plugs. The guy said...you need some plugs for your A, take any four of those. Yup they were NOS round top 3x champions. Strange thing was, I recognized the box was half full of these incredible plugs. Sooo, I offered to buy the entire box and wasn't about to low ball him either. He just wasn't parting with any more...'may needem for my cars'. Lesson...sometimes life is good..but compound,eh!

Hmm, got so carried away with good memories of good fortune, forgot to answer question...what is fair value. Well, laws of supply/demand answer that question and in my case cited above...the 'fair' price was $460. And, they went to a barner..who else.

[jw hash]

sorry about the wrong number for eBay, I changed it. I was not at the 96 mafca convention, but some friends where. from what I was told they gave out a 3X plug in the bag show in the picture below, they had the round top three but the knurling was like the new reproduction ones it did not go to the bottom of the base. I have two of them. maybe someone that was there can add more to this.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

The metal base knurling is also wrong on those three on the right as discribed in the write up on the auction.

He did correct that in the auction after I contacted him about it, but refused to mention the difference in the plugs colors...He said, QUOTE "Let the 3X plug experts figure that out"

[160B]

Here is the photo of the plugs from the auction.

The lettering on all of them do not match.

From the Judging Standards & Restoration Guidelines "the lettering varied from thick to thin and from light orange to dark red. However the Spark plugs should match."



page 2-12 revised 2011 Model A Judging Standards & Restoration Guidelines

[Fred]

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Originally Posted by 160B

Here is the photo of the plugs from the auction.


Note that the one on the far right is a high hex 1/4 " early
and the other three are low hex 3/16" late.

Also the lettering on all of them do not match.

From the Judging Standards & Restoration Guidelines "the lettering varied from thick to thin and from light orange to dark red. However the Spark plugs should match."



page 2-12 revised 2011 Model A Judging Standards & Restoration Guidelines

This post is wrong.. The never made a indented type knurling for the early style THICK head plugs, only the mid 1930 thru 1931 had it.. The ONLY correct plug in this picture is the one on the far left, They are ALL of the 30/31 size also.. Look @ picture #4 in the auction and you will see they are all of the same size..

[jkeesey]

Not trying to hyjack the thread but I found an old plug that looks exactly like a 3x but only has an X, whats that about?

[Charles Coe]

If I'm not mistaken, Model Ts used the X Champion plug.

[jw hash]

the later model T X core will fit in the 28-29 base. so what you might have found is just that.

[jkeesey]

It must be because it will fit into a Model A head.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by jkeesey

It must be because it will fit into a Model A head.

I thought the Model-T spark plug used a ¾" pipe thread (no seal ring) where the Model-A used a 7/8-18 thread (w/ sealing ring)

[jkeesey]

the top porcelein half is threaded into the Model A base not a Model T base.