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Old 03-28-2018, 06:02 PM   #1
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What category would a 1931 Ford tudor with a Mustang II front end, disc brakes all the way around with chrome spoke wheels, 4 cylinder OHC, automatic or six-speed tranmission, rack and pinion steering with tilt and possibly telescoping wheel, air-conditioning, electric widows, modern comfortable bucket seats, a modern matching chrome spoke on the rear-end, and a gas tank not in the cowl be called?

It isnít a hot rod, It sure isnít a muscle car. Would street rod be appropriate or maybe just modernized A?

Please no smart-ass comments. I really need to know so I can narrow down my search for this type of car. Itís on the top of my bucket list, and I want to own one before I croak.

I may be old, but Iím still very young at heart.

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Old 03-28-2018, 06:13 PM   #2
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I would call it a street rod, a very mild one. I have never seen one that meets your requirements, you might want to prioritize what is most important or plan on building it. Also post your question on HAMB (https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/). Remember that the disc brakes will throw dust all over the chrome spoke wheels and keep you busy cleaning them.

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Old 03-28-2018, 06:20 PM   #3
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What category would a 1931 Ford tudor with a Mustang II front end, disc brakes all the way around with chrome spoke wheels, 4 cylinder OHC, automatic or six-speed tranmission, rack and pinion steering with tilt and possibly telescoping wheel, air-conditioning, electric widows, modern comfortable bucket seats, a modern matching chrome spoke on the rear-end, and a gas tank not in the cowl be called?
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That's pretty specific. Sounds like you'll be commissioning one.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:29 PM   #4
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Charlie, I shoild have added that I want those spokes to be knock-offs. As for cleaning them, Iíve got my Blue Magic, an old toothbrush, and some really dense fiber towels, I love to look at those things. I love to clean them, I love to tune them. I guess you could say that I really love chrome spoke rims. However, no way should they ever be put on a muscle car.

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Old 03-28-2018, 06:37 PM   #5
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Did Shay ever make a Tudor? Kind of sounds like what you are looking for.
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It could be considered a "resto-mod" or a "pro-touring" as this car is designed to be driven on modern highways.
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IMO it would be a street rod. If what you described was a "roadster" or "phaeton" it would be a Shay or Glastique (sp?) but to my knowledge they did NOT make a tudor.
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Street Rod or the more modern term - Retrow Rod..
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On eof the names we would call such a car is "Restorod". (Pronounced Restore - rod)
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My favorite, the Cosworth Model A... https://youtu.be/iFSGSL3Nrmc
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Street rod.
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Boy, do I wish that Shay made a tudor. They didn't, but I think they would have been popular.

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P.S. I don't think Shay liked roll-up windows.

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When you say 4-C OHC are you referring to 'after market head' mounted on a Model A block? What carburation does the car have? With 'all' the upgrades you speak of it would seem to fit a 'street rod' category. If you enter your car in a show or competition it will be classified.
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If you go to the 'Hot Rod Forum' you may receive a more accurate determination.
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What category would a 1931 Ford tudor with a Mustang II front end, disc brakes all the way around with chrome spoke wheels, 4 cylinder OHC, automatic or six-speed tranmission, rack and pinion steering with tilt and possibly telescoping wheel, air-conditioning, electric widows, modern comfortable bucket seats, a modern matching chrome spoke on the rear-end, and a gas tank not in the cowl be called?

It isn’t a hot rod, It sure isn’t a muscle car. Would street rod be appropriate or maybe just modernized A?

Please no smart-ass comments. I really need to know so I can narrow down my search for this type of car. It’s on the top of my bucket list, and I want to own one before I croak.

I may be old, but I’m still very young at heart.

Mike

I'd call it a street rod or restorod but there really is no definitive term - depends on the interpretation of who's using it.

Not being a smart-ass but I gotta ask why a 4-cylinder? If you mean a Model A engine with an OHV conversion, that's one thing. But I assume you're thinking something like a Ford 2.3/2.5. In stock form, those are only 100 HP or less and automatic and air will eat up a chunk of that. With all the other mods you mention, you're already getting pretty far afield from a stock Model A - why not go with a V8? If you're looking to buy a car already built, one like you describe with a 4 will be harder to find.
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Did Shay ever make a Tudor? Kind of sounds like what you are looking for.

No, only roadsters, open cab pickups, and a few C-cab panels - interestingly, the side panels on the latter opened awning-style. When Camelot Motors took over, they also made a few phaetons. Also interestingly, those were 28-29 style with only two doors - a 28-29 "Deluxe Phaeton".
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What category would a 1931 Ford tudor with a Mustang II front end, disc brakes all the way around with chrome spoke wheels, 4 cylinder OHC, automatic or six-speed tranmission, rack and pinion steering with tilt and possibly telescoping wheel, air-conditioning, electric widows, modern comfortable bucket seats, a modern matching chrome spoke on the rear-end, and a gas tank not in the cowl be called?

It isnít a hot rod, It sure isnít a muscle car. Would street rod be appropriate or maybe just modernized A?

Please no smart-ass comments. I really need to know so I can narrow down my search for this type of car. Itís on the top of my bucket list, and I want to own one before I croak.

I may be old, but Iím still very young at heart.

Mike
You might have a very hard time finding a Model A exactly like you describe. Anyone spending mega dollars to build a car like that certainly wont be putting a 4 cylinder in it.
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Mike,
I see hundreds of As for sale that have been altered. Hot rods, street rods, call them what you wish. There are many that retain a stock look, not chopped, channeled or shaved. Unless you want to spend 6 figures to have what you want built by a custom builder, you are going to have to compromise. Most used are going to have V-8 power. I've seen a few V-6s listed. A modern 4 banger will be almost impossible to find. I'd guess that at least half the As on eBay are far from stock. If you throw out the rat rod crap wagons, there are lots of good looking "street" rods. Be prepared to part with 30K + for a well sorted professional build. Any time you are shopping for this kind of car, you better be prepared to jump on a plane for a personal inspection before any cash trades hands. Happy hunting!
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Another thing that hasn't been mentioned. Most people, myself included, think you are going to need to build your car to get exactly what you want. If you sell it when you are finished you are going to have trouble getting your money out of it. I am 74 years old, way to old for a project like you envision. I would recommend cutting back your requirements and buying something you can drive now. For your info my car (not for sale) has a 4 cylinder, 181 cubic inch Mercruiser engine (a BIG Chevy II) but none of the other requirements.

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