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deeprock · 09-12-2015, 08:54 PM

So, I finally disassembled my LB engine. Pistons are already .040 over. It will need to be bored. Is .060 a problem? I have domed pistons. Now for the crank shaft... Already had .020 undersized bearings. It should be turned. But now I here finding oversize bearings is next to impossible. Guidance please.
-shad

Lawrie · 09-12-2015, 11:20 PM

Bearings are avail ,just look on e/bay.also suppliers have them.
Lawrie

f1builder · 09-12-2015, 11:34 PM

it is hard to find bearings .40 and over in my experience and they are very expensive. sometimes its cheaper to find another crank.

Lawrie · 09-13-2015, 01:10 AM

cranks turn up,I got a free LB engine the other month .030 bore and std crank.
you got to be lucky sometimes.
Lawrie

JM 35 Sedan · 09-13-2015, 06:45 AM

Not sure it's the same on the LB's but the builders who post here normally claim that 0.060" over is about the limit on the early 21 stud poured babbitt engines. There have also been a few posts claiming they broke through into the water jacket just under 0.060". Maybe with your block the cylinders will clean up at less than 0.060"
Are the mains and rods both 0.020" under now?

flatheadmurre · 09-13-2015, 07:05 AM

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A good machineshop can check the wall thickness if its not safe to go with a larger bore sleeve it.

Walt Dupont--Me. · 09-13-2015, 07:17 AM

.060 bore is no problem, I don't recommend over .060 but I have bore .080 with no problem, also I've bored through at .060 on rusted blocks on the inside of the water jacket. You can find .030 -.040 rod bearings with enough checking and asking questions. Also the 37-38 21 stud has the same crank as the 36LB. Walt

ford38v8 · 09-13-2015, 01:07 PM

Along with the mixed results as reported above on .60 over, you might consider sleaves and standard pistons from the outset due to the tendency to overheat with thinner water jackets.

deeprock · 09-13-2015, 09:09 PM

Both rods and mains are @ .020" under. Do they make .050 oversized pistons?
Alan, why would you have overheating problems with thinner cylinder wall?
Thanks for the help!
-shad

ford38v8 · 09-13-2015, 11:26 PM

Shad, I can't document the fact, I only remember reading it somewhere, but that was printed in an actual book instead of the internet where everything you read must be true!

I remember the explanation was that thinner walls contribute to hot spots and cavitation, thereby reducing heat transfer. Sounds logical, so I'll go with that!

Lawrie · 09-13-2015, 11:32 PM

Talk to EGGE machine about the pistons,I don't think they make 050,but no harm in asking.
lawrie

Lyndon · 09-15-2015, 03:42 PM

Be carefull with undersize rod bearing journals on a LB or earlier engine. I rebuilt my LB engine about 5 years ago, and had a terrible time locating replacement rod bearings. The rod bearing inserts on that engine are flanged (later flat head rod bearing inserts are not flanged), and even though many of the supplier websites listed them in their catalogs, when I tried to order them they were found to be unavailable. I ended up spending several weeks searching around on e-bay and several different V8 clubs before I found a complete set for my engine, which had the crank bearing journals bored undersize.

deeprock · 11-05-2015, 11:33 PM

Ok so all my parts are gathered. Started the assembly process, are the connection rod designed to have locking clips for the nuts? This engine was in pieces when I purchased.

Walt Dupont--Me. · 11-06-2015, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeprock

Ok so all my parts are gathered. Started the assembly process, are the connection rod designed to have locking clips for the nuts? This engine was in pieces when I purchased.

I use rod nuts with the slots around the top (like hacksaw slots) there self locking. The rods usually need recondition, the bearings turn in the rods and the crank, those flanged bearings are made for the 32-38. Walt

deeprock · 11-06-2015, 08:36 AM

Ok great, the nut on my rods are slotted like you explained. I did have reconditioned
Thanks Walt!

-shad

flatheadkid1 · 11-06-2015, 02:00 PM

There is a set available that is -.030crank/+.010rod. Check out Ebay item number 231727318741. If your rods are reconditioned already these will not work. I previously purchased a set from that seller and was pleased with what I received. Haven't used them yet.

09-12-2015, 08:54 PM	#1
deeprock Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Bruno MN Posts: 90	LB rebuild So, I finally disassembled my LB engine. Pistons are already .040 over. It will need to be bored. Is .060 a problem? I have domed pistons. Now for the crank shaft... Already had .020 undersized bearings. It should be turned. But now I here finding oversize bearings is next to impossible. Guidance please. -shad

09-12-2015, 11:20 PM	#2
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,215	Re: LB rebuild Bearings are avail ,just look on e/bay.also suppliers have them. Lawrie

09-12-2015, 11:34 PM	#3
f1builder Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 554	Re: LB rebuild it is hard to find bearings .40 and over in my experience and they are very expensive. sometimes its cheaper to find another crank.

09-13-2015, 01:10 AM	#4
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,215	Re: LB rebuild cranks turn up,I got a free LB engine the other month .030 bore and std crank. you got to be lucky sometimes. Lawrie

09-13-2015, 06:45 AM	#5
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: LB rebuild Not sure it's the same on the LB's but the builders who post here normally claim that 0.060" over is about the limit on the early 21 stud poured babbitt engines. There have also been a few posts claiming they broke through into the water jacket just under 0.060". Maybe with your block the cylinders will clean up at less than 0.060" Are the mains and rods both 0.020" under now? __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein* Last edited by JM 35 Sedan; 09-13-2015 at 10:38 AM.

09-13-2015, 07:05 AM	#6
flatheadmurre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,045	Re: LB rebuild Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) A good machineshop can check the wall thickness if its not safe to go with a larger bore sleeve it.

09-13-2015, 07:17 AM	#7
Walt Dupont--Me. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gardiner Me. Posts: 4,200	Re: LB rebuild .060 bore is no problem, I don't recommend over .060 but I have bore .080 with no problem, also I've bored through at .060 on rusted blocks on the inside of the water jacket. You can find .030 -.040 rod bearings with enough checking and asking questions. Also the 37-38 21 stud has the same crank as the 36LB. Walt

09-13-2015, 01:07 PM	#8
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,645	Re: LB rebuild Along with the mixed results as reported above on .60 over, you might consider sleaves and standard pistons from the outset due to the tendency to overheat with thinner water jackets. __________________ Alan

09-13-2015, 09:09 PM	#9
deeprock Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Bruno MN Posts: 90	Re: LB rebuild Both rods and mains are @ .020" under. Do they make .050 oversized pistons? Alan, why would you have overheating problems with thinner cylinder wall? Thanks for the help! -shad

09-13-2015, 11:26 PM	#10
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,645	Re: LB rebuild Shad, I can't document the fact, I only remember reading it somewhere, but that was printed in an actual book instead of the internet where everything you read must be true! I remember the explanation was that thinner walls contribute to hot spots and cavitation, thereby reducing heat transfer. Sounds logical, so I'll go with that! __________________ Alan

09-13-2015, 11:32 PM	#11
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,215	Re: LB rebuild Talk to EGGE machine about the pistons,I don't think they make 050,but no harm in asking. lawrie

09-15-2015, 03:42 PM	#12
Lyndon Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 88	Re: LB rebuild Be carefull with undersize rod bearing journals on a LB or earlier engine. I rebuilt my LB engine about 5 years ago, and had a terrible time locating replacement rod bearings. The rod bearing inserts on that engine are flanged (later flat head rod bearing inserts are not flanged), and even though many of the supplier websites listed them in their catalogs, when I tried to order them they were found to be unavailable. I ended up spending several weeks searching around on e-bay and several different V8 clubs before I found a complete set for my engine, which had the crank bearing journals bored undersize.

11-05-2015, 11:33 PM	#13
deeprock Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Bruno MN Posts: 90	Re: LB rebuild Ok so all my parts are gathered. Started the assembly process, are the connection rod designed to have locking clips for the nuts? This engine was in pieces when I purchased.

11-06-2015, 08:36 AM	#15
deeprock Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Bruno MN Posts: 90	Re: LB rebuild Ok great, the nut on my rods are slotted like you explained. I did have reconditioned Thanks Walt! -shad

11-06-2015, 02:00 PM	#16
flatheadkid1 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Ohio Posts: 50	Re: LB rebuild There is a set available that is -.030crank/+.010rod. Check out Ebay item number 231727318741. If your rods are reconditioned already these will not work. I previously purchased a set from that seller and was pleased with what I received. Haven't used them yet.