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'32 standard roadster project - some further progress
Top and upholstery now in place.
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Ooh! Lovely.
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Very nice
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Wow! You know how once in a while something hits you just right? Well this is one of those times for me.
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Love it. Great work. A Standard too. And with a trunk!!! Got to love it.
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Many auto enthusiasts mistakenly think that the top supports attached to the body of Ford roadsters are "rumble seat handles". The folding top rests on those supports.
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really,really nice!
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Very nice, you can tell from the two photos this is a future show winner. I don't know enough about photography, but always noticed how pin striping always looked way wider in photos that in real life. Look forward to more photos. Bob
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Oh man! That looks so sharp! I cannot wait to get to that point… Hopefully I get it there…
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Very nice, i always liked standards over deluxe!
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Looks fantastic David!
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Very, very nice! A standard is such a challenge. I was lucky to see an original, low mileage standard roadster years ago. What immediately struck me were the top details, especially the weird top material. It looked to be a real challenge to duplicate.
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very nice work
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Very nice David. Any possibilities for this one being at the GNM this June?
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Thanks for all of the generous compliments.
In response to the comments and questions: - It is a V-8 - It is a fairly late car and therefore has the black canvas top which was a running change to replace the short-grain artificial leather top material that carried over from its use on Model A standard roadsters and phaetons. - I agree that striping often looks too wide in photos, especially in this case where the metallic gold on black really stands out. Rest assured that it is the correct width in real life. - I like both standard and deluxe models and each has their unique challenges. I'm not a big fan of cowl lights as I think that they break up the flow of the cowl into the hood so that is a plus for the standards, but to each his own. I also have a standard phaeton in final assembly. That and this roadster are my little rebellion against the long-standing practice of restoring standard open cars as deluxe models. -The plan is for it to be completed in time for the GNM and all that is left to do is the installation of the fenders, running boards, bumpers, and head lamps, all of which are ready. But, the best laid plans of mice and men .... |
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Perfect! Need more photo's.
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A wonderful presentation, DavidG. Best of the best.
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How many Standards were made?
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Very Nice David! Love it...
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Worldwide, 852 V8s and 1,381 fours were produced. (About one tenth of the number of deluxe V8s and one third of the number deluxe fours produced.)
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Well done ,Nice work .
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David, That car is phenomenal, your setting the standard, no pun intended, even looks better than your deluxe 6 wheeler from the 60's
Not to side track the thread but standard 32 roadster related, When I bought my 32 standard roadster it had a windshield frame with an inside mirror bracket. See the below pictures. When we built the car we used the standard roadster inside mirror bracket as shown on page 16-8 in The 1932 Ford Book. Just wondering is the bracket in the attached pictures a variation of the std bracket or a Canadian version or just a bracket from a later model year? Thanks, Tom |
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Who did your paint work David?, Beautiful work as for the rest of car too!
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David, can you send me a link on where to buy this body gasket? I see there are a couple different widths. Im guessing you build on top of it the cut off after the everything is bolted down? Thanks!
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01-07-2018, 11:01 AM | #29 |
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Very nice David. Haven't touch the 32 for a couple of weeks do to this cold spell. Been helping people with frozen water lines and act. Electric was off all last night but I have a back-up when that happens. Most people don't think of that. I see your 32 is a late car also. Looks great can't wait to see.
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Given your reference to my first restoration of a '32 roadster, you know how long I've been at this pastime. Somewhere among my stuff is a unused example of the same mirror bracket as in your photos and it has been there for a long, long time as I've learned the hard way not to throw away things until I am absolutely, positively sure I will never need it. I concluded a long time ago that it was not an original Ford part for two reasons. The first was its finish, which is black crackle paint, not something Ford used, at least not back then. The second is the fair number of U.S.-manufactured standard phaetons and roadsters I've had over the years (6), all of which had the requisite inside rear view mirror with the same bracket (mostly with quite a variety of replaced mirror glass) shown on page 16-8. I don't think it is a Canadian variation either as the bracket on the Canadian standard phaeton on page 11-15 (shown below) conforms to that on page 16-8 as it has the same lip overlapping the rear top edge of the windshield frame and narrower angle to the deeper 'V' shape. With respect, as nice as this one is turning out, it is not in the same league as my first one. One of the dumbest things I've ever done was to let go of it and I'd buy it back in a heartbeat if I could find it. Last edited by DavidG; 01-07-2018 at 12:44 PM. Reason: readability and addition of photo |
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I use body-to-frame webbing from Restoration Specialties (www.restorationspecialties.com) in Windber, PA. Their 1/16 x 2 version is a very good duplicate of the original. All four of the original webbing sections (two each side, one beneath the body in front of the frame kick up for the rear axle and one beneath the front fender) were the same width over their entire length and not trimmed at the front of the frame where it is narrower side to side, at least according to the original engineering drawings for them and all of the original cars I've seen where the front fenders have never been removed since they were first installed. The excess width of webbing just sort of curls down for lack of underlying support. According to the original engineering drawing, one of the front fender sections of the webbing has a notch cut into it which theoretically lines up with the engine number stamped on the frame rail in front of the left foot of the firewall so that the number can be read without removing the front fender. In reality, original examples abound where there's no notch in the webbing or where the stamped number isn't aligned with the notch, in whole or part. |
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Is that an original windshield frame? I have been looking for one. If not ,whose is it? Again that roadster is a beauty.
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The windshield frame is a reproduction from N/C Industries in Pennsylvania and while not 100% equal to an original, it is an excellent frame.
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In response to your questions, I purchased this car in large and small pieces over an extended period of time; the body and chassis are not original to one another. Nor was my original intent to create an authentic as-built restoration, far from it. My original intent was to reprise the car I put together in high school (which was a very long time ago). That was a '32 with Lincoln hydraulic brakes and wheels, Zephyr gears, full Stewart Warner instrumentation, and a mid-fifties Oldsmobile V8. It was my one flirtation with hot rods and lasted only briefly as I had to sell it when I went off to university (no cars allowed for freshmen, no room at home in the garage, not a practical car for year-round use in suburban Chicago, and not enough money to rent a garage). The chassis for the reprise was an outstanding original from someone nearby who only wanted the car's body for his project. The Olds engine was easy to find and I ended up with three of them and weirdly had all three rebuilt. The brakes, 16" bent spoke wheels, transmission gears, etc., etc., came with time. I decided to go further with the reprise and had a modified later rear axle and 'fifties pickup steering gear for it (things I couldn't afford back in high school). To shorten this story, over time I began to have second thoughts and in the end backed away completely from the reprise concept and reverted to originality. (Anybody out there looking for a restored Olds V8 from the mid 'fifties?) The body is a hybrid. It is a Brookville body that has been highly modified to rectify its shortcomings compared to an original with original upper quarter panels in place of the Brookville panels as well as portions of the floor, greater flaring of the lower quarter panels over the wheel houses, and extensively modified doors, etc. Every component attached to the body is an original (windshield posts and stanchions, top irons, firewall, dash, etc.) It is now in a state that few would perceive that it is not a 100% original body, but it is clearly not my intent to call a sow's ear a silk purse. All of the body modifications and the stellar paint job are the results of the efforts of my long time friend, Larry Jordon, who has willingly taken on those tasks for me for more than forty years. There are very few in the same league as Larry. |
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Dave, I'm like you, I own that chunk of metal since 1974 when I bought my third 32 roadster. After all these years I still don't know what to do with it.
Just another quick question. The hood and firewall lacing looks great. Where are you getting it? |
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It's the hard core material like the original and it came from A&L Parts Specialties in Canton, CT, but that was years ago and I understand that despite their serious attempts to find a new source for it, no one makes it any more. Evidently its manufacture has some pollution issues that are costly to mitigate.
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I also have been atoning for past sins in resurrecting my 32 Tudor. I still have the 283 Chevy that I pulled out of it a couple of decades ago.
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Thanks, you confirmed the existing narrative regarding the lacing, I was hoping there is a new resource for authentic reproduction.
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Looks fantastic! your attention to the details really set your cars apart. For those who haven't noticed check out the true NOS brown fan belt. Just the efforts involved to get one to fit is a impressive task... |
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Looks Great!! I am ashamed to show my Tudor after seeing your roadster. Very Good job, congratulations!! |
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Hi David,
Just curious on whether you have a helper for the bigger assembly tasks? I did everything by myself on my 32. I tried to get some help with the hood and even though I was real specific about "put your hands here and don't let go and these are the steps we'll do", almost turned out to be a disaster. Second time I did it by myself with lots of padding, etc. Your work is fantastic. |
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Thank you. I draw the line at hoods, but my helper with those knows what they are doing and they've gone smoothly. |
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The work you have done on this car is impeccable, the details, the fit, the assurance to stick closely to Ford engineering plans................I like it all. Thank you for posting and sharing so much info in every post. Paul J. |
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Well I thought it was funny. Hats off, though, the level of preparation is impeccable. Mart. |
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I agree that it could be seen as you first thought and that would be amusing, all things considered. But in this case, I did not proceed with the fenders and running boards until the top and upholstery were done. It is hard enough to stretch to do all that tacking without having to lean over even further with the fenders in the way. |
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I have fenders and running boards for my roadster! They are in the basement. You are correct David much easier to work on without all that metal. ha ha
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What do you think about this one? > https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2018/0...-4/?refer=news
Price $105,000
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A super looking deluxe, but not a 997 point car if judged competently.
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Awesome to think that the 1932 Ford Roadster originally sold for $460 which was $15 less than a 1931 Roadster...A comment on the 'top supports' mentioned above...i have spotted them on other rumble seat 1932 Fords (5-window and Cabriolet) with the owners insisting that they are original...no need to disagree as it would be fruitless.
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Was there a difference for standard vs deluxe tops...or was the color change late in the year on both standard and deluxe?
I was thinking that light olive drab was the only color used for the roadster tops? I like that you are restoring it as a standard roadster and I love hearing about all the little details and differences! Thanks for sharing. Quote:
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This car was originally restored by Frank Brown in CA in the mid 1970's.He sold it for around the $40K range then.Body work by Jim Rowe.It was done with dual sidemounts and had every accessory(radio etc).Nick Alexander bought it at an auction in AZ and chucked the dual sidemounts along with a few other things.I think where it is for sale is brokered by an agent in Santa Barbara . |
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David, were all standard roadster windshield frames black no matter what color the car was? What about the pulls. Thanks Mark
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Wish I was there. Very nice. You are the best. Thanks for showing us.
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World wide there were 852 V8 and 1,381 B standard roadsters produced (2,233 in total).
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The standard phaeton and roadster windshield frames were originally painted the main body color. I also have a V8 standard phaeton awaiting completion. Last edited by DavidG; 05-20-2020 at 06:23 PM. |
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David you are making me ill. How nice is that! Thanks for the info. Were the windshield pulls painted or chrome/stainless? Thanks again Mark
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Thanks for the compliment.
Theoretically, the windshield finger pulls on the phaeton and roadster windshield frame were painted black on the standard models, like the inside rear view mirror bracket. But, of the five standard phaetons and roadsters that I've owned, three had the chrome-plated deluxe finger pulls and as all still had their original windshield frames it is highly unlikely that the finger pulls were changed. |
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Looked at this original, unmolested, B, STD, 1932 Ford roadster in 2008. The owner was nice enough to let me take a look at it even though it sold the night before. Seven years later I came across it as a reassembled car. Thank GOD the 1 800 Hot Rod guys didn't get their hands on it.
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It's refreshing to see a standard roadster. It seems like every '32 that came from the factory had dual side mounts. Just like the Model A roadsters when they were popular, everyone had dual side mounts and were painted Arabian Sand. Nice car Dave, I wouldn't rush, I doubt we are going to any shows this season. All of the shows I regularly attend have been canceled as far out as September, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for HERSHEY.
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The roadster in BoxCar Tom's photos is amazingly original and an important case study. I have dozens and dozens of photos of it inside and out which I refer to often.
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05-21-2020, 06:40 PM | #67 |
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Nope, chrome over nickel. Keep in mind that was you see is the product of 80+ years of weathering.
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Im surprised, no comment about the STD inside door handle escutcheons and door panels, and the dash is painted body color? The car was originally painted Brewster green but was over painted with flat black primer?
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05-22-2020, 06:54 AM | #69 |
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The inside door handle escutcheons on the standard phaetons and roadsters were a unique shape, similar to one of the Model A versions, and originally painted brown. It is much simpler than the nickel-plated version used on the '32 deluxe models.
The standards also lacked door pockets as shown in the photo. The dark brown/black artificial leather upholstery material has, unfortunately, been nearly ripped off in its entirety. The body color dash is strange in that the engineering drawing specifies that it be painted 'interior gray', the same color as used on standard closed cars. Perhaps it was repainted way back when? The dashes on my other standard open cars all have evidence of having been originally painted 'interior gray'. As for the flat black primer, to me it is a bit of a sacrilege given that the original two-tone green wasn't in that bad a condition when this car first came out of hibernation in Maryland. |
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Dave, All this chatter about std car details, Its been a while since this thread started, any more recent pictures? Completed car? Thanks, Tom
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Tom,
It should have been completed by now, but during 2018 and 2019 I was distracted by higher priorities and this year I am yet marooned 1,600 miles away from it. All the fenders and running boards are on it now along with the head lamp bar, so what's left is a very short list. No further photos, however. Hopefully it will be done later this year. Thanks for asking. Dave |
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David Where did the cowl and grille lacing come from? The Vintique stuff flattens out over time and the hood fit changes too much. Thanks for all the help..!!
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The original type lacing with the hard, dark brown core came from A&L Parts Specialties in Canton, CT, but years ago. Evidently there were EPA issues with its manufacture and it is no longer available. I know that A&L persistently tried to find other sources for the hard core material without success. The soft white core welting sold today does flatten out over time from the weight of the hood plus the downward pressure exerted by the latches altering the hood fit, as you indicated.
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Some good shots in this video > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQHy0vHL5eQ&app=desktop
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Just about every model shown other than a standard open car and a convertible sedan.
The evidently unsold Model As are perhaps indicative of the economic hard times that existed, given that 1932 was the depth of the Depression. We now seeing some of those historic unemployment highs again for another reason. |
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The finishes reflected what can be done with nitro lacquer, which is what Ford used on the bodies until the '33s in the U.S. (until the '34s in Canada). Commercial vehicle bodies weren't buffed out (except the deluxe panels, sedan deliveries, and station wagons) unless you paid extra. I know of no one restoring a '32 pickup, for example, who isn't paying for that option. It would be refreshing to see one turn up for judging with an unpolished finish, like the original pickup base vehicle. In the photo below from Ford's archives note the unpolished finish on the cabs of the trucks and the hood and bed of the pickup front and center (which appears to have been painted with three slightly different shades of the same color). The irony in the pickup's case is that it has the extra-cost pin striping option. The fenders, head lamps, and wheels have a high gloss finish as they were dipped in enamel. |
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You’re super informative again David!
I thought the paint non-option and pin striping add on was pretty funny! Glenn |
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Glenn,
Me too! |
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I surprised by gold pin striping on a std model, go figure?
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For '32 in North America, the body paint colors dictated the striping color, regardless of the model, standard or deluxe, and all colors were offered on all models. So, all passenger cars with black painted bodies and those with maroon and black painted bodies had metallic gold pin striping. Those with green painted bodies had metallic silver pin striping. The rest of the color offerings (Washington blue and black, Old Chester gray and Tunis Gray, Winterleaf brown light and dark, Emperor brown light and dark (a late color offering replacing the Winterleaf browns) had Tacoma cream pin striping.
Unlike in subsequent model years, wheel colors were "suggested" based on the body color, not dictated by the body color. The three wheel colors offered were Apple green, Tacoma cream, and Aurora red with only the Tacoma cream color also used for pin striping (Colored wheels were standard equipment on deluxe models with black wheels a no-cost option and colored wheels were optional at extra cost on standard models.) So, if you had an offbeat color sense, you could opt for Apple green wheels for your maroon and black roadster, for example. Surviving invoices show that a surprising number of cars were built with seemingly unnatural body and wheel color combinations. |
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