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Tom Wesenberg · 06-28-2015, 09:22 PM

I thought the engine was out of the car. That's the first thing I would do. It'll be so much easier in the long run.

burner31 · 06-29-2015, 12:05 AM

1959!!
Wow, I can relate to that.
Mine was put up about the same time

Terry, NJ · 06-29-2015, 07:12 AM

Stripped of it's head and flywheel, the model A engine is surprisingly light. I support off the aft end of the block in my engines. Many model A engines have been used in Pietenpol homebuilt aircraft.
Terry

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Originally Posted by dubnutty

Tom, I'm going to try the cable trick and blow gun. If I do decide to pull the engine out, will this bolt up to a regular engine stand? I've got one but was thinking to much stress on bellhousing area. I'd sure like to turn this over to get all the junk out of passages. I've got to buy a new radiator and I don't want to plug it up.

jthomas6 · 06-29-2015, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Wastler

You'll find you can't remove them out the bottom...

As usual the experts are correct. I misspoke earlier - I was thinking back several years ago, and I now remember I did have to ream the small ridge off the top of the cylinders and pop the pistons out the top. Stand corrected.

Steve Wastler · 06-29-2015, 12:14 PM

I prefer Long term enthusiast (35 years), as opposed to expert.

) I am still learning and learn at least one new thing everyday.

dubnutty · 07-11-2015, 04:55 PM

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It's a little cooler today so thought I'd get back to removing pistons. Got one out! I'm thinking that the carbon build up on the skirt of the piston is stopping it from coming out. I never knew these had a relief cut in them.

d.j. moordigian · 07-11-2015, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubnutty

It's a little cooler today so thought I'd get back to removing pistons. Got one out! I'm thinking that the carbon build up on the skirt of the piston is stopping it from coming out. I never knew these had a relief cut in them.

No,...it's not carbon! It's a ridge, made by the rings....due to wear in the cylinder.
You need a "ridge reamer" to remove the ridge,....then the pistons will
come out easily...

dubnutty · 10-26-2015, 11:42 PM

Well I have been soaking this last stuck piston since I last posted. I finally tried Evaporust for about two weeks and a floor jack pushing up from below. Would still not move. I tryed the last resort, using a brass drift and hammer. I hit it from above and it moved! Crawled underneath and hit it again it moved! Tapping with the drift and hammer it came out. Fighting me all the way. The piston didn't break or get marred up but boy it sure is ugly. Now I'm gonna hone the cylinder and see how it cleans up. I think this deserves a nice cool one!

Henry's Lady's Man · 10-26-2015, 11:51 PM

Good Ale... Turtle Mountain Brew Pub, Rio Rancho, New Mexico. Who'da thunk it? Talk to Niko when you're here.

Henry's Lady's Man · 10-26-2015, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubnutty

It's a little cooler today so thought I'd get back to removing pistons. Got one out! I'm thinking that the carbon build up on the skirt of the piston is stopping it from coming out. I never knew these had a relief cut in them.

Shudda quoted ya, man! Good ale in New Mexico. Niko is an artist. Good hops, etc.

Henry's Lady's Man · 10-27-2015, 12:06 AM

Hey, Dubnutty!
I love to see newer interest in the Model A! Please pay attention to some of the great advice on the Ford Barn. After a while, You'll see who knows their sh..! I am a relative newbee here, and I've gotten the best advice from the SOLID hobbyists. Like me, they are TRUE MODEL A AFFiXIONADOS. You will spot them if you are of the same ilk. Listen to these guys. Some are mechanics, some are just Model A Lovers like me. Avoid the sarcasm, and listen to the experts. They are getting rarer and harder to find.
Let's duplicate ourselves. Get the youth involved in our sport/hobby. ~Chuck

dubnutty · 10-27-2015, 02:15 PM

Hey HLM, I'll have to try that brew pub. Thanks for the info.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 10-27-2015, 11:06 PM

Is this a BEER INFOMERCIAL??
Bill W.

dubnutty · 02-16-2016, 10:45 PM

Got some free time to work on the wagon. Took the pistons, oil pan, dipper tray, valve chamber cover and drain tube to work and stuck them in a part washer. I wish I had one of these at home! Parts cleaned up real nice. Some of the paint came off so nothing but clean metal now. Removed the intake and exhaust manifold and bead blasted the intake manifold to prep for paint. I disassembled the carb and soaked it in Evaporust, wow this stuff does work, and also ran it in a ultrasonic cleaner that I picked up at Harbor Freight. I was suprised it worked real well. Still has some rust and varnish build up in float bowel. I'm thinking of bead blasting it but I'm not sure yet. Next I'm going to clean the carbon build up on the pistons and rings. I'm think of blasting them with walnut shells and see what I can remove. Well thought I'd give an update and maybe post some pics later. I forgot to take pictures of the carb before cleaning started.

dubnutty · 04-16-2016, 03:07 PM

Went to a car parts swap this morn and came across this radiator. I hope it will work in the '29. What do you think? Guy wasn't sure what year it was from. I don't have a radiator for the car to compare it to.

dubnutty · 04-16-2016, 03:36 PM

More pics.

Big hammer · 04-16-2016, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubnutty

Got some free time to work on the wagon. Took the pistons, oil pan, dipper tray, valve chamber cover and drain tube to work and stuck them in a part washer. I wish I had one of these at home! Parts cleaned up real nice. Some of the paint came off so nothing but clean metal now. Removed the intake and exhaust manifold and bead blasted the intake manifold to prep for paint. I disassembled the carb and soaked it in Evaporust, wow this stuff does work, and also ran it in a ultrasonic cleaner that I picked up at Harbor Freight. I was suprised it worked real well. Still has some rust and varnish build up in float bowel. I'm thinking of bead blasting it but I'm not sure yet. Next I'm going to clean the carbon build up on the pistons and rings. I'm think of blasting them with walnut shells and see what I can remove. Well thought I'd give an update and maybe post some pics later. I forgot to take pictures of the carb before cleaning started.

Didn't you say you used a hammer and brass punch to remove #4 piston?
I would be very leery about using the piston. And I know what damage a big hammer can do :-)

700rpm · 04-16-2016, 07:55 PM

That radiator looks like 30-31 from here.

Tom Wesenberg · 04-16-2016, 08:56 PM

Yes, as Ray said, that's a 30-1 radiator with a replacement honeycomb core. The 1928-9 radiator neck has external threads for the screw on cap. The 28-9 is also not as tall as this one.

dubnutty · 06-18-2016, 03:35 PM

Ok, back on it and found some bad things. That piston that was stuck has got a big crack on skirt.

Well the plan was to just get this motor running enough to get the car moved around. While I went through all the mechanicals. Where do any of you send your motor out? Who do you trust? I'd like a touring motor done. Modern bearings and updated valves. I was hoping at least to get the motor running to see if it had a cracked water jacket or cylinder. Any help here should would help.

06-28-2015, 09:22 PM	#21
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Enigine work I thought the engine was out of the car. That's the first thing I would do. It'll be so much easier in the long run.

06-29-2015, 12:14 PM	#25
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Enigine work I prefer Long term enthusiast (35 years), as opposed to expert. ) I am still learning and learn at least one new thing everyday.

10-26-2015, 11:51 PM	#29
Henry's Lady's Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 441	Re: Enigine work Good Ale... Turtle Mountain Brew Pub, Rio Rancho, New Mexico. Who'da thunk it? Talk to Niko when you're here. __________________ ... prosperity is not the product of charity but of industry - HENRY FORD

10-27-2015, 12:06 AM	#31
Henry's Lady's Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 441	Re: Enigine work Hey, Dubnutty! I love to see newer interest in the Model A! Please pay attention to some of the great advice on the Ford Barn. After a while, You'll see who knows their sh..! I am a relative newbee here, and I've gotten the best advice from the SOLID hobbyists. Like me, they are TRUE MODEL A AFFiXIONADOS. You will spot them if you are of the same ilk. Listen to these guys. Some are mechanics, some are just Model A Lovers like me. Avoid the sarcasm, and listen to the experts. They are getting rarer and harder to find. Let's duplicate ourselves. Get the youth involved in our sport/hobby. ~Chuck __________________ ... prosperity is not the product of charity but of industry - HENRY FORD

10-27-2015, 02:15 PM	#32
dubnutty Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 56	Re: Enigine work Hey HLM, I'll have to try that brew pub. Thanks for the info. __________________ I'd go to the far ends of the earth for a GOOD beer.

10-27-2015, 11:06 PM	#33
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Enigine work Is this a BEER INFOMERCIAL?? Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

02-16-2016, 10:45 PM	#34
dubnutty Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 56	Re: Enigine work Got some free time to work on the wagon. Took the pistons, oil pan, dipper tray, valve chamber cover and drain tube to work and stuck them in a part washer. I wish I had one of these at home! Parts cleaned up real nice. Some of the paint came off so nothing but clean metal now. Removed the intake and exhaust manifold and bead blasted the intake manifold to prep for paint. I disassembled the carb and soaked it in Evaporust, wow this stuff does work, and also ran it in a ultrasonic cleaner that I picked up at Harbor Freight. I was suprised it worked real well. Still has some rust and varnish build up in float bowel. I'm thinking of bead blasting it but I'm not sure yet. Next I'm going to clean the carbon build up on the pistons and rings. I'm think of blasting them with walnut shells and see what I can remove. Well thought I'd give an update and maybe post some pics later. I forgot to take pictures of the carb before cleaning started. __________________ I'd go to the far ends of the earth for a GOOD beer.

04-16-2016, 07:55 PM	#38
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 5,902	Re: Enigine work That radiator looks like 30-31 from here. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

04-16-2016, 08:56 PM	#39
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Enigine work Yes, as Ray said, that's a 30-1 radiator with a replacement honeycomb core. The 1928-9 radiator neck has external threads for the screw on cap. The 28-9 is also not as tall as this one.

06-18-2016, 03:35 PM	#40
dubnutty Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 56	Re: Enigine work Ok, back on it and found some bad things. That piston that was stuck has got a big crack on skirt. Well the plan was to just get this motor running enough to get the car moved around. While I went through all the mechanicals. Where do any of you send your motor out? Who do you trust? I'd like a touring motor done. Modern bearings and updated valves. I was hoping at least to get the motor running to see if it had a cracked water jacket or cylinder. Any help here should would help. __________________ I'd go to the far ends of the earth for a GOOD beer.