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08-01-2018, 09:54 AM | #1 |
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28 Canadian Roadster questions
I checked the engine serial number on my 28 roadster and it is a canadian built 1931 engine which should not be in the car but that is besides the point. My car was advertised as a 28 Roadster but the wheels are a 1930-31 type and the windshield post has mirrors on the post instead of on the wings. Also, when I bought the car, somebody had a 1930 model a plate holder on it. Is there anyway for me to tell if the car is actually a 28? Frame numbers or body numbers?
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08-01-2018, 10:29 AM | #2 |
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My Canadian Roadster has a body number on the sill by the seat frame and just inside the top edge. In my case it starts with a T (Toronto assembly). I don't know of a list of assembly numbers sorted by date, but it may be possible to find a similar one and get an idea.
It was easy to mix and match parts as evidenced by the 30 and 31 parts that have made dating mine tough as well. |
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08-01-2018, 11:20 AM | #3 |
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No number near the seat frame that I can find. This is probably a good time to ask what this plate is on the floor in front of the clutch and brake.
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08-01-2018, 11:35 AM | #4 |
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If you were to lift it up, you will see just where the battery is located...Therefore it is refered to as the battery inspection plate or something like that.
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Access cover for the battery.
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I do not think that Canadian built Model A/AA vehicles had frame numbers but could be wrong on that fact. Pluck |
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08-01-2018, 12:59 PM | #10 |
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The seat frame has robertson screws as well.
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08-01-2018, 02:31 PM | #11 |
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Pictures of your car would help. Headlight lenses, tail light, rad shell, overall picture etc.
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08-01-2018, 03:14 PM | #12 |
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Here are some more pictures. I have replaced a few things already. The car is already restored, not the best restoration, but this car has virtually no rust. Under the dash there is still some original paint, Niagra Blue dark.
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08-01-2018, 04:48 PM | #13 |
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Do you a picture of the tailight? If it's 28 and early 29 it could be a drum style that mounts off of the body. With the "Robertson" Screws that tells you it's a Canadian car. The rad shroud says 28-29. 29 was chrome. The straight flutes in the headlight lenses say 28. Here's a copy of the Canadian Serial numbers.
Hope this helps. I'm working on a Canadian 28 Sport Coupe. And trying to make it right. |
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From the photo I would say it is a 1928 amateur restoration. Overdone in some areas, lacking in other areas.
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Here is some photos of the old tail light.
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I have a 31 Canadian built Std. Roadster. As mentioned, the main difference is the use of Robertson screws. Luckily, since I did a complete disassembly of mine, Robertson screws are generally available here in Canada at hardware stores and fastener suppliers. The only ones I have been stuck for is the door hinge screws. I have managed to salvage most of the old ones and used socket heads where I need new ones. At a glance you don't notice the difference. There is a difference in bumper clamps and data plates both of which can be obtained from Mike's Afordable and probably others. Mikes also sells the Robertson screw kits for Canadian cars. The other difference that I am still struggling with is that the original paint on my firewall is Ford Maroon which is not listed as a color choice for 1931 Std. Roadsters. I can only assume that different color choices were offered in Canada but can find no documentation to back this up. In spite of the lack of documentation, I am going to finish the car in Ford Maroon when I have it completed.
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The Restoration Guidelines section F has 39 pages devoted to the Canadian A's. Bob |
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08-02-2018, 12:27 PM | #20 |
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There is a good Canadian Model A history site - the Canadian model A Ford Foundation.
check cmaff.com It has lots of the service bulletins, advertising, etc. |
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Thank you all for your insight.
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Yes the tail light is 28 and early 29. (I think it changed to the Tea cup style light around Dec. ) The bracket that holds it should be a cast part and it bolts to the rear body rail.
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Chris. Another tidbit of information. My 31 Canadian Roadster has the number T2394 stamped into the subframe near the drivers door. It is on the flat area above where the floor boards sit so is visible when you lift the floor mat. I am told that the T indicates the Toronto (Ontario) assembly plant. If you want to give me your email address I can send you a copy of a picture of the subframe where this number is stamped.
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Chris-Picture sent by email
Graham-Not sure of build date but it does not have indented firewall like the later 31s. It is a Standard whereas yours appears to be a Deluxe but I think the basic bodies were all the same. Mine has the cast iron sediment bulb but I don't think that helps to date it. |
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Thanks for the info. I don't think Canadian cars ever had the indented firewall, but I have the glass float bowl, not cast. I wonder how long it took to assemble the 165 cars between ours. I suspect my engine is a replacement as it is a CAT from April '30. But the body has the '31 traits. It would be good to find other "T" cars.
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I've heard that the glass and cast sediment bowls were used interchangeably depending on supply. Mine doesn't have the original engine. It was swapped for a better running 29 engine over 50 years ago. Wish I had the original back. I would think that 165 cars would be well within the daily production limit.
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09-16-2018, 05:27 PM | #30 |
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I have a very original 28 roadster Bought it from the original owner in 1955 .on the back of the speedometer there is a date that will be a bit older then the car .Is your parking break on the left side or in the middle . I think there was 5280 changes on the model As and if you know them you can get a close idea.The gudging standards manual tells most of them .my car has a honeycomb rad original. And a plate glass windshield that Ford said he didn’t do. N
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Don't be fooled by parts on Canadian cars. I've found some of the parts can be 3 to 6 months later than the American production cars. My car is a Oct of 28 Body build, but it has a solid front crossmember for the engine mount. My thinking is, that the excess parts where shipped to Canada to be used up when changes where made. I don't think Henry would have scrapped the parts. My two cents worth.
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