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Old 01-10-2021, 07:57 PM   #1
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By way of explanation, I have been adding photos of these "unigue to Australia" 1940-1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Ups, and they have been gaining quite a bit of interest. However, they were "hidden" in an obscure Thread that many Barners would not have looked at, so I thought that I would start off a new Thread for those interested in these unusual Ford vehicles.

Factory Photo of an Australian Ford Open Cab Pick-Up. It is really hard to tell if this one is a 1940 model or a 1941 model, however, judging by the shape of the Trim on the front of the Hood, I am thinking that it is a 1940 model?
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thanks mercman, good idea. i would guess that regardless of how many were made, they most likely saw a similar fate as the military surplus vehicles here in the states. sold cheap for mostly commercial and agricultural uses where they beat to death with no respect. any 4wd versions ?
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Ford Australia built quite a few of these 1940 Open Cab Pick-ups. Many were used by the Army in World War II.
I saw this survivor many years ago, but it's fate is unknown. I don't know if it has been lost or saved? Out of the unknown quantity that were made, I don't think that there are many survivors. I hope that this one is still in existence and saved.
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I noticed how the doors and bed body lines are the 38 39 style 3 ribs
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Skidmarks is exactly correct when he said that the Australian 1940 and 1941 Ford Pick-Ups and Trucks continued using 3 Rids in the body creasings, carried over from 1938 and 1939. This photo of a 1939 Ford Pick-Up is from the Ford Australia Sales Brochure. Notice that in Australia, the Pick-Up Bodies followed the same shapes at the Body. The regular Pick-Up Bed that was so popular in the USA was never offered in Australia. All Pick-Up Beds were like these in the above illustrations.
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The bed side resembles the bottom half of a panel truck side but the bed is separate from the cab
The roadster cab rear section also looks like the cab size is longer then the regular closed cab

The windshield looks fixed, not a swing out style like the 38 39 but the way its capped at the top is about even with the seam on 38 39 that 40 didnt have.

What did they have for a dashboard?
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By way of explanation, I have been adding photos of these "unigue to Australia" 1940-1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Ups, and they have been gaining quite a bit of interest. However, they were "hidden" in an obscure Thread that many Barners would not have looked at, so I thought that I would start off a new Thread for those interested in these unusual Ford vehicles.

Factory Photo of an Australian Ford Open Cab Pick-Up. It is really hard to tell if this one is a 1940 model or a 1941 model, however, judging by the shape of the Trim on the front of the Hood, I am thinking that it is a 1940 model?
I agree. You can see the stamped V8 logo in front of the louvered area. The 41 wasn’t stamped.
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Above are two pictures of the 122" Wheelbase Ford Straightside Pickups, as illustrated in the Australian Ford Sales Brochures for 1940 and 1941. You will see that the full length side trim is the "carry-over" three Ribs from the 1938 and 1939 Australian Ford models.
Unfortunately, a lot of people can't tell the differences between 1940 and 1941 Ford Pick-Ups - Trucks. If you study the above two pictures you can see slight differences in the Hood and Grille.
In the real world of 1940, all Ford Pick-Ups and Trucks came with the standard V8 Engine. So, a prominent V8 insignia was pressed in to each side of the Hoods just in front of the Vents. (see top photo) When the 1941 Ford Pick-Ups and Trucks were released, a brand new 6 Cylinder Engine was an option for the first time. Rather than having two different Hoods, Ford chose to just offer one and removed the V8 Pressings on the Hoods.
In addition to the deleted V8 Pressings from each side of the Hoods, the 1941 Ford Pick-Ups and Trucks also had slightly different Trim on the Hood and Grilles. I will add details of the differences in the Grilles in another Post.
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The closed cab trucks, were the beds part of the cab like the illustrations shown above?

1941, was the 4 cylinder engine available as a option in Australia?

Im currently putting a 1941 pickup with 6 cylinder engine and optional column shift transmission back together and some of the missing pieces have been a real challenge to locate.
Unfortunately, i missed getting an all original 1941 4 cylinder pickup that was just a couple miles from my house and it's met its fait to be chopped apart and lost to the ratrod streetrod crowd
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Above are two pictures of the 122" Wheelbase Ford Straightside Pickups, as illustrated in the Australian Ford Sales Brochures for 1940 and 1941. You will see that the full length side trim is the "carry-over" three Ribs from the 1938 and 1939 Australian Ford models.
Unfortunately, a lot of people can't tell the differences between 1940 and 1941 Ford Pick-Ups - Trucks. If you study the above two pictures you can see slight differences in the Hood and Grille.
In the real world of 1940, all Ford Pick-Ups and Trucks came with the standard V8 Engine. So, a prominent V8 insignia was pressed in to each side of the Hoods just in front of the Vents. (see top photo) When the 1941 Ford Pick-Ups and Trucks were released, a brand new 6 Cylinder Engine was an option for the first time. Rather than having two different Hoods, Ford chose to just offer one and removed the V8 Pressings on the Hoods.
In addition to the deleted V8 Pressings from each side of the Hoods, the 1941 Ford Pick-Ups and Trucks also had slightly different Trim on the Hood and Grilles. I will add details of the differences in the Grilles in another Post.
These two pics appear to be 'unibody', but you can see a seam of sorts. Looks like they did the '40s version of cut and paste, almost like they hadn't built one yet, but wanted to get the sales brochure out to the printers. From photos here, it appears the models, once in production had a separate cab and box, for what I consider obvious reasons. That 122" wb likes to flex with a good load aboard. You'll remember the short lived mid 60's unibodys.
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Here is a picture of a restored 1940 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up. Notice on this one, that the Pick-Up Bed is totally separate to the Body.
I do agree that the illustrations from the original Sales Brochures look like the Pick-Up Body is part of the Cab, but as you can see on this example, they are indeed separate. I am still trying to find pictures of an original Closed Cab Pick-Up so we can confirm one way or the other.
However, it seems that very few of this model have survived? I will have to continue my search. If anybody elas has anything, can they please add their comments.
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The rear fenders are definitely unique to these. Depth of a U.S. tonner panel fender, but the back end isn't streamlined at the tail. These are an EXTREMELY handsome vehicle, particularly the canvas topped military version. At least they are to me.
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Barn Find 1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up. You can tell that it is a 1941 model by the absence of the V8 Pressings on the Hood and the wide Centre Strip. Notice that the Pink-Up Bed is separate from the Body.
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To answer "skidmarks" question, my friend Peter sent me these pictures of a 1941 Ford Closed Cab Pick-Up. As you can see in these photos, the Pick-Up Bed is completely separate to the Cabin, just like with the Open Cab Pick-Ups.
It seems that "artistic licence" was used in the Illustrations that appeared in the Ford Sales Brochure.
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That closed cab truck looks like it has a fold out windshield like 38 - 39 trucks. I found a 42 to 47 style ford big truck in a junkyard years ago that had a fold out windsheild. The other thing that stood out was that instead of the 40 style instrument cluster it had the round single Stewart Warner type gauges. No signs of it being modified. Supposedly it was a ex-military truck
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A few years ago, I spotted this 1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up Body for sale. In a previous Post, someone was asking what the Dash looked like? This is the best that I can do at the moment. Hope that it helps.
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Here is another Australian 1941 Ford Closed Cab Pick-Up seen at a Swap Meet a few years back. A past Owner has added a Tray instead of the Pick-Up Bed. Not many of these vehicles remain over here. This is one example that has escaped. Look at the Price the Seller was asking - Wow.
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This one has the rounded back cab, but the three rib belt line... Is there no end to the variations on these Things. ?
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Here is another Australian 1941 Ford Closed Cab Pick-Up seen at a Swap Meet a few years back. A past Owner has added a Tray instead of the Pick-Up Bed. Not many of these vehicles remain over here. This is one example that has escaped. Look at the Price the Seller was asking - Wow.

I'm liking the door art
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I believe that a lot of people think that the 1940 and 1941 Ford Trucks are identical?
This style was only used for two years, 1940 and 1941. The 1941 model got slight Trim changes, as well as an optional 6 Cylinder engine. Because of this added engine, the V8 Pressings on the Hood was removed on the 1941 model.
The 1941 model also got a wider band of Trim down the centre of the Hood, extending down the front of the Grille.
The above pictures are from the Covers of the Australian Sales Brochures.
I have added them so that you can see the slight changes between the two years.
Now, the next time you see one of these Ford Trucks, you will be able to correctly identify what year it is.
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Ive been learning more and more slight hidden differences in 40 and 41 with the 1941 6 cylinder pickup ive been putting back together.

Years back i did a 1938 big truck . Thats what made me notice the early styles mixed into the 1940 Australian models.
On the big trucks 1938 to 1941, the front fenders will interchange. I used NOS fenders on the 38 but one was a 38 39 the other was a 40 41. Early ones didnt have a notch for the bumper irons. At the time NOS big truck fenders were $100 each at Hershey.
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If you look at this picture of an American 1941 Ford Pick-Up owned by alanwoodieman, (which appeared in another Thread in Ford Barn) you can see that the Raised Moulding on the Door has only Two Ribs (Top & Bottom), while on the similar Australian models, they have Three Ribs, a carry over from previous years.
This Pickup is an American 1941 model Ford, as you can tell by the extra Chrome Trim on the Hood Side.
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Fully Restored 1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up, complete with Military paint job and Accessories. I believe that all of the Open Cab Pick-Ups were manufactured for the Military.
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Here is a picture of a restored 1940 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up. Notice on this one, that the Pick-Up Bed is totally separate to the Body.
I do agree that the illustrations from the original Sales Brochures look like the Pick-Up Body is part of the Cab, but as you can see on this example, they are indeed separate. I am still trying to find pictures of an original Closed Cab Pick-Up so we can confirm one way or the other.
However, it seems that very few of this model have survived? I will have to continue my search. If anybody elas has anything, can they please add their comments.
Mercman, I must say, I ALWAYS follow your posts. ALWAYS interesting stuff.
Thanks for sharing!
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Hi Kube, I really appreciate your kind comments about my contributions to Ford Barn. Many thanks. Mercman <><
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Unrestored 1941 Australian Open Cab Pick-up. The Australian Military really loved these Open Cab Fords.
It is just a pity that more of them aren't still around.
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Unrestored 1941 Australian Open Cab Pick-up. The Australian Military really loved these Open Cab Fords.
It is just a pity that more of them aren't still around.
Like there's something NOT to love about them? Love them combat rims. I have some jeep ones on my ford axle pig roaster
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Looking at this picture of a very nice 1941 Ford Pick-Up, I was wondering if it has the correct Front Fenders for a Pick-Up?
Or, are the Fenders off the next size up 1941 Ford Truck?
It just seems that the Wheel Openings are too large for this vehicle.
What do others think?

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Are the tires a smaller diameter than stock?........Mark
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fender are for 3/4 ton truck and up. these tires are the same dia. as the original, so it does look different. 16" for 3/4 , ton had 17" and 1 1/2 ton had 20" all with the same fenders
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Looking at this picture of a very nice 1941 Ford Pick-Up, I was wondering if it has the correct Front Fenders for a Pick-Up?
Or, are the Fenders off the next size up 1941 Ford Truck?
It just seems that the Wheel Openings are too large for this vehicle.
What do others think?

The photo is of a 3/4 ton flatbed and it appears from the photos to be a factory one based on the rear fenders that have a notch in them to accommodate the flatbed supports. And as such the front fenders are correct. They have the 3/4 ton and up headlights mounted on top of the fenders and not recessed into the fenders like a 1/2 ton pickup. Also the hood on a 3/4 ton and up truck is different from a 1/2 ton p/u as well.
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They come in all sizes - Military 1941 Ford Open Cab Truck on display at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra.
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This Thread is entitled - Australian 1940-1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Ups. It seems that Australia was unique in building these Open Cab Pick-Ups. I know that this Forum is for Fords but I thought that Readers would be interested in knowing that Fords wee not the only Make that was asked to build Open Cap Pick-Ups. Pictured above is an Australian built 1941 Pontiac Open Cab Pick-Up. This is not a one off, as I have pictures of other rotting in old country Wrecking Yards of old. It seems that the Australia Government must have requested these different Manufacturers to build Open Cab Pick-Ups.
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It would appear that the truck shown in pix 32 is a 4x, the emblem attached to the side of the hood appears to be very similar to the Marmon-Harrington U.S. 4x conversions.
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That big 4x4 is way beyond COOL! I'd love to find a 40-41 big truck front clip.
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They come in all sizes - Military 1941 Ford Open Cab Truck on display at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra.
In the book "Ford Trucks since 1905" page 212 shows a similar truck called an Australian artillery tractor. There is also a 39 one. They were said to have "roadster" tops.
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Specifications on that 1941 Ford Marmon-Herrington Artillery Tractor as shown in Post 32.
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Here is a picture of that 1941 Ford Open Cab Marmon-Herrington towing an early trailer before the truck was put on display at the Australian War Memorial.
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I still think that a lot of people can't tell the differences between the 1940 and 1941 Ford Truck line. These pictures are of the covers of the original Sales Brochures for these two years. The most obvious difference is the thick added Trim Piece on the Hood that extends down into the Grille. What is less obvious in these pictures is that there is a "V8" symbol pressed into each side of the Hood on the 1940 model. As a new 6 cylinder Flathead Engine was introduced for the 1941 model year, so buyers had a choice of a 6 or a V8, Ford chose simply to delete this pressing on the updated 1941 models, as other wise, they would have had to offer two different Hoods. So, next time you see a 1940-1941 Ford Pick-Up or Truck, you will be able to correctly identify it as a 1940 model or a 1941 model.
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Mercman, thanks for another informative, enjoyable journey; love the truck pictures.
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It seems that a lot of people don't know the differences between the 1940 and 1941 Ford Trucks. At a quick glance, they look very similar, however, there are differences so that it is easy to tell if it is a 1940 or 1941 model.
These photos are of my friends 1940 Ford Truck. If you look at the side of the Hood, you will see a V8 pressing that has been painted to high-light the fact. This pressing was only on 1940 Ford Trucks, as in 1941, Buyers got a choice between the all-new Six Cylinder Flathead, as well as the tried and proven V8 Flathead. The Centre Strip on the Hood is also narrow on these 1940 Ford Trucks. In my next Post, I will show the 1941 Ford Truck for easy comparison.
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Lovely 1941 Ford Fire Engine that is on display at the Early Ford V8 Foundation Museum, Auburn, Indiana. Notice that there is no V8 pressing on the Hood on this 1941 Ford Truck. That is because a Six Cylinder Flathead was available for the first time in 1941. Also notice the wide Trim Strips on the Hood extending down into the Grille. Hopefully, the next time you spot a 1940 or 1941 Ford Truck or Pick-Up, you can tell if it is a 1940 model or a 1941 model. I hope that these pictures and explanation help.
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Lovely 1940 Ford School Bus on display at the Early Ford V8 Foundation Museum in Auburn, Indiana.
Notice that this Bus has the V8 symbol pressed into the Hood side which only the 1940 Ford Commercials had.
In 1941, Buyers had a choice of a Six cylinder engine in addition to the regular V8 engine. Therefore, the Hoods of the 1941 models were plain, so that Ford Motor Company didn't have to offer two distinct Hoods for 1941. Also, the Trim on the centre of the Hood extending down into the Grille is much wider on the revised 1941 models.
So there you have it. This is a very nice example of a 1940 Ford School Bus on display in the Museum.
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This is from my home town. I worked on it during my teens & have driven it several times. It was still part of the operating fleet in the early 70s. My Dad also worked on it many years earlier than me.
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That is a great looking 1938 Ford Open-Cab Fire Truck. Thanks for sharing.
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Thought this may be of interest of 40s twin cab utility, presumed to be ex RAAF from paint colours & inboard tray mounts. Was located around Tamworth NSW.
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Thought this may be of interest of 40s twin cab utility, presumed to be ex RAAF from paint colours & inboard tray mounts. Was located around Tamworth NSW.
Now that is a cool truck! The grandkids AND the dog could accompany grandpa to the dump. Do you not have tweekers down under? The last six trucks bought were missing the radiator.
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Very interesting truck, Thanks for sharing.
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Now that is a cool truck! The grandkids AND the dog could accompany grandpa to the dump. Do you not have tweekers down under? The last six trucks bought were missing the radiator.
"GB" - For some reason , I knew that this would appeal to you.
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Cool, trucks. Never seen these before. Thanks for sharing!
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Old time photo of a 1940 Ford Truck that has been in an accident
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Here's a V8 fire truck that has been restored. The small "hamlet" of Stokes Valley where I lived used to house this . I remember as a small kid rushing down to the fire station when ever the siren went to see this thing take off. I was impressed with the sound of its torquey engine....oh that sound! The black and white picture shows the pumper that the local brigade had at the same time taking water from a stream in the 1950s, but this was replaced in the 60's by an English Dennis. From memory the Jail Bar soldiered on well into the 70s as a secondary appliance. The bodies were locally built possibly by the Colonial motor company, but I might be wrong.

Thanks to Trev for starting this interesting thread we tend to often overlook the importance of these old trucks

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Thanks Graeme for posting these interesting photos of two NZ Fire Engines. The one with the Pump attached to the front is a 1941 model. You can tell by the wide chrome trim down the centre of the hood. The other model is probably a 1942 model, as it lacks Quarter Windows in the Doors, but I could be wrong? This model went from 1942 to 1947 when it was replaced with the all new 1948 model.
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Here's a V8 fire truck that has been restored. The small "hamlet" of Stokes Valley where I lived used to house this . I remember as a small kid rushing down to the fire station when ever the siren went to see this thing take off. I was impressed with the sound of its torquey engine....oh that sound! The black and white picture shows the pumper that the local brigade had at the same time taking water from a stream in the 1950s, but this was replaced in the 60's by an English Dennis. From memory the Jail Bar soldiered on well into the 70s as a secondary appliance. The bodies were locally built possibly by the Colonial motor company, but I might be wrong.

Thanks to Trev for starting this interesting thread we tend to often overlook the importance of these old trucks

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I wonder where that rear door came from. I imagine that window cutout would be very difficult work for a smaller shop. A panel truck back door?
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Thanks Graeme for posting these interesting photos of two NZ Fire Engines. The one with the Pump attached to the front is a 1941 model. You can tell by the wide chrome trim down the centre of the hood. The other model is probably a 1942 model, as it lacks Quarter Windows in the Doors, but I could be wrong? This model went from 1942 to 1947 when it was replaced with the all new 1948 model.
Trev yes the pumper is a 41 and I think I recall the jailbar was a 42 as you state.

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I wonder where that rear door came from. I imagine that window cutout would be very difficult work for a smaller shop. A panel truck back door?
GB I've never turned my head to that but that door could be out of a Jail panel now you mention it and looking at it. You'd know panel trucks better than me.

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Beautiful 1940 Ford V8 School Bus on display at the Early Ford V8 Foundation Museum, Auburn, Indiana.
When I first saw this early Ford Bus, I was not familiar with with the differences between the 1940 and 1941 models, but after returning home and researching the subject, I now know that this example is a 1940 Ford V8 School Bus.
This lovely example was donated by Peter McLaughlin of Lyme, New Hampshire, as you can see from the Display Board that describes this vehicle. The only problem is that it is listed as a 1941 model, and not a 1940 model.
As this photo was taken a few years back, I hope that the Museum has corrected the details so that it is correctly listed as a 1940 model.
If any Ford Barners plan on visiting this great Museum, can you please check and see if this error in listing this Ford School Bus as a 1941 model instead of a 1940 model has been corrected?
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Here is another picture of that great looking 1941 Ford Marmon-Herrington Open Cab Australian Military Truck.
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The heck with the Ute ,,,, I want one of those /\ Thanks for posting . Good to here from you all

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These Australian vehicles are fantastic. Thanks for starting this Thread.
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As this 1939 Ford Open Cab is Left Hand Drive, I don't think that it is Australian. However, it is an interesting Four Wheel Drive Military Vehicle.
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I found a Colour picture of this Open Cab 1939 Ford 4 Wheel Drive that does not appear to be Australian, as it is LHD.
It looks much better in colour.
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i have had a few of the WW2 dodge open cab pickups, but never have seen the fords thanks for the pics Mercman
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I found a Colour picture of this Open Cab 1939 Ford 4 Wheel Drive that does not appear to be Australian, as it is LHD.
It looks much better in colour.
Sorry, couldn't resist...

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Australian 1941 Ford Open Cab Military Pickup painted in Army Colours about to be loaded on to a Trailer. Very neat.
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That push bumper seems to be standard equipment. When I saw the first one on this thread I figured it was some home made after thought, but obviously, not so. That bumper would be VERY handy around my place. Whoever thought that one up was a genius.
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It seems that Australians liked these Open Cab Pickups / Utes. Here are pictures of another 1941 Pontiac Open Cab Ute. It seems that they may have made hundreds of them, as this is not the only picture of a 1941 Pontiac Open Cab Ute that I have added to this Thread.
I know that it is not a Ford, but I am trying to drive home a point about these Open Cab Pickups / Utes that were so popular here during World War II.
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It seems that Australians liked these Open Cab Pickups / Utes. Here are pictures of another 1941 Pontiac Open Cab Ute. It seems that they may have made hundreds of them, as this is not the only picture of a 1941 Pontiac Open Cab Ute that I have added to this Thread.
I know that it is not a Ford, but I am trying to drive home a point about these Open Cab Pickups / Utes that were so popular here during World War II.

Just one more reason to take a vacation down under . Thanks for sharing
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Australian 1941 Chevrolet Open Cab Ute used by the Military in World War II. This relic was seen rotting away in a country Wrecking Yard back in the Seventies. Back then, I don't think anyone would have been interested in saving it, and it would have been scrapped. Sad end to a rare vehicle.
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Here is a picture of a 1939 Ford V8 Open Cab ex Australian Army 2 wheel drive truck.
As you can see, from previous pictures in this Thread, these Open Cab Commercial vehicles and Utes were very popular during World War II in Australia. I saw this "survivor" back in the 90's.
The yard that it was in was cleared out for housing development, so I don't know if this example was saved?
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1941 Ford Open-Cab light Truck in local Wrecking Yard.
Just hope that by some miracle that it has been saved?
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1941 Ford Open-Cab light Truck in local Wrecking Yard.
Just hope that by some miracle that it has been saved?
Very interesting wheel. Looks to be an MH conversion. The hits just keep on coming!
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very nice. i always liked those CMP's too, the one to the left
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Ys, I believe that this 1941 Ford Open-Cab Light Truck had Marmon-Herrington Four Wheel Drive.
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Pair of 1940-1941 Ford Light Trucks in an old time wrecking yard of Yesteryear.
The one on the right is an Open-Cab 1941 Ford while I am not sure about the year of the enclosed cab unit on the left - it could be a 1940 or 1941 model. This yard has disappeared, so don't know if this pair were saved?
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This time around, we have a early photo of a 1941 Ford Open-Cab Truck with Marmon- Herrington Four Wheel Drive.
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Maybe this is a very rare tonner version like Stu 'Truckdog' is dealing with now. If that single type wheel is 17" and 5 on 6 7/8", that's the case. I suppose it could be 5 on 8" like the big trucks. But would that make it an 18" rim? Edit: I seem too have skipped here... That latest ain't no tonner.
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This time around, we have a early photo of a 1941 Ford Open-Cab Truck with Marmon- Herrington Four Wheel Drive.
And just when I thought I'd seen my end all 4wd ford truck comes this.... Holy Crap.
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Here was have a photo of another 1940/1941 Ford Open-Cab Truck taken many years ago.
This one has the Marmon-Harrington Four Wheel Drive conversion. I can't tell whether it is a 1940 or 1941 model?
What is unusual is that this Open-Cab Ford Truck is Left Hand Drive?
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I know that I am getting slightly off track here, but I thought that I would share this picture of an Australian 1941 Ford Deluxe Ute. This Ute was in a Brisbane Wrecking Yard of yesteryear.
Check out the Waterfall Trim on each side of the centre strip on the Hood. That is how you tell that this Ute is a 1941 model and not a 1940 model.
In the USA, you released a similar vehicle with the Waterfall Trim on each side the Hood, but the only body style available in the USA for this 1941 model was the Sedan Delivery.
On this Ute, the photo of which was taken decades back shows a Hatch on the Roof. It may have been an ex Military model, or this modification could have been added later?
What is unusual is that these models have Ford Deluxe on each side of the Hood. all very unusual.
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Page from the Ford Australia Identification Manual for the 1941 Model "11C" Ford Deluxe Coupe Utility.
Notice that it lists this Ute as a Ford Deluxe model.
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For 1941 in Australia, Ford offered locally two different Utes. I showed the one that had the carry-over body of the 1939-1940 models in Post 83. This is the second type of Ute that was offered in Australia.
I took this photo of an Australian 1941 Ford Ute wasting away in a country wrecking yard many years ago. The Front Clip is sitting in the back ready for someone to come along and save it.
Unfortunately, this yard was closed to make the land available for houses, so it is unknown if this Ute was saved?
These Utes were made by cutting down 1941 Ford Sedans. You can see this by the "C" Pillar that lacks any style. This style of 1941 Ford Ute was used by the Military
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Page from the Ford Australia Identification Manual showing both the 1941 Model "11C" Ford Deluxe Coupe Utility and the other 1941 "11A" models. Very few 1941 Ford Sedans were sold in Australia. I can only recall seeing one back in the day when you saw lots of old Fords on the road as everyday cars.
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Australian 1941 Ford Ute. This is how all these 1941 Ford Utes looked.
It seems that they made dozens of them, all made from cut-down 1941 Ford Sedans.
It is parked next to a 1940 Ford Military Truck. Photos taken in 1996.
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you have to quit showing me these pictures! so interesting. I have a book on WW2 German ford trucks, I want them all. the 40/41 is a 41--flat dash not raised in the center
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more good stuff Mercman! the hatch in the roof may have been military, but usually the roof gun locations were a heavy steel round thing that actually had a trolley running around the top so the gun could swing around 360*. ring mounts they were called. sure would have been fun visiting those yards years ago. thanks for posting
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Another Australian 1941 Ford Ute. This model was made from Fordor Sedans and there are literally dozens and dozens of these unique to Australian 1941 Ford Utes.
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Another Australian 1941 Ford Ute. This model was made from Fordor Sedans and there are literally dozens and dozens of these unique to Australian 1941 Ford Utes.
My brain finally got over the oddity of the Ute style, until I saw that bumper. From typically seeing North American style models, it seems like somethings not quite right with the dimensions and dissimilar body features when viewing a Ute. I like the concept and versatility of them, especially the open cab models. Interesting what catches on in different parts of the world, and how much a little detail, like a bumper can change the look of a vehicle. If that was a face it looks like quite the overbite. Call me weird but I'm actually more crazy

Is it "a Ute" or "an Ute" ??
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I am with you Will regarding that Bumper.
Here is a front on shot of the same vehicle, the Australian 1941 Ford Ute
I don't believe that the front Bumper is correct for these Utes?
It should have more shape and not a heavy piece of steel.
Also, the Grilles on these Utes should not be Chrome Plated.
The Grilles are actually pressed metal, not Diecast on these 1941 Ford Utes.
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While the regular production 1941 Fords had Diecast Grilles, it was different for these Military 1941 Ford Utes.
Check the above pictures and you can see the Pressed Steel outer Grille Pieces, correct for these commercial 1941 Ford Utes.
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Check out this 1941 Ford Ute and the price, $150. Seems absolutely complete.
The "good old days" when these old Fords were affordable.
Wonder if it was saved?
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Thought I'd post my latest revision on my project because I have been heavily influenced by this thread. Not to hijack so if interested it's the thread '40 ford front fenders. Couldn't make the 40s work. That 38 military 4x4 works with parts I have laying around here.
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That is one interesting concept?
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Nice attention to detail. Even shows the correct 6 lug Toyota Land Cruiser wheels.
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its gonna be a good one GB !
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Thanks. I even have a set of 16" six lug factory toyota split rims. Non USA of course.
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This thread on the FTE is about a MH panel donated to the Australian Salvation Army by the US Salvation Army. Not an open cab but still interesting. IMO.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...errington.html
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This thread on the FTE is about a MH panel donated to the Australian Salvation Army by the US Salvation Army. Not an open cab but still interesting. IMO.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...errington.html
Stu and I PM'd a bit on that vehicle. Truck tire/wheel enthusiasts will eventually come across each other.
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I sure like the posts from Mercman on the aussie stuff we dont see here in the states. but, now we have veered off a bit, so i will go sideways!. i was a big player in WW2 stuff for about 20 years, 80 to 2000's. the only fords were an M7 b1 gun motor carrage, same as a sherman but with a fixed 105 howitzer instead of a turret. no, it never ran, and no, i had no gun, i found one...but very expensive. 1100 ci ford V8. had 2 t16's, the flathead powered small tank, "universal carrier" similar to the Bren gun carrier of the Canadian and British army. Had about 15 dodges, 1/2 t, and 3/4t, of most styles, open cab, carryalls, weapons carriers, pretty much all types but never any ambulance. at one time, 11 halftracks. one restored ground up, one running original, the rest just parts chassis. 4 chevy 1 1/2 t's, 4 of the similar 4t autocar/federal open cab single ax trucks, 2 MB's, and even a 114 aluminum hull,amphibious, chevy v8 powered personnel carrier. All gone now, only a 1951 m38 jeep left. sorry, didnt mean to make a life history out of the "open cab" thread...i guess...i was in a typing mood !
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Here is a larger picture of the 1941 Ford 4 x 4 of the Salvation Army, posted by 51504bat.
Very interesting vehicle. Thanks for posting.
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Interesting vehicle, what do we see there, a water heater?
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While this Thread is all about 1940 and 1941 Ford Open Cab Trucks, we have also touched on the Australian 1941 Ford Utes.
As mentioned earlier, it seems that the Military desired the updated 1941 Ford models which were made from cut down 1941 Ford Fordor Sedans. We have shown pictures of these later style Utes in previous Posts.
What we have here is a survivor 1941 Ford Deluxe Coupe Utility, the type that the Public could purchase, providing that they had the necessary Paper Work that proved that they had the need for such a vehicle.
During these War Years, sales of any type of new vehicle to the public was very limited, and as such, you really had to have a good reason just to be considered.
You can tell that this Ute is a 1941 model, by the Water Fall Trim on the front of the hood.
Luckily, this example was rescued and body work commenced on it, however, it was then sold, however, I have since lost track of where it is these days?
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looks like it may have been army green? thanks for all this history Mercman
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No cas3, While this Ute has the original Paint, it is not Army Green.
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Here is another Australian 1941 Ford Deluxe Coupe Utility - seen years ago at a local Swap Meet. Never again seen?
Please don't think that these Utes are common, as these are the only two 1941 Ford Deluxe Coupe Utilities (this one plus the the one I added above) that I have ever seen.
You can judge by this that they are indeed rare vehicles in the Land that invented the Coupe Utilities.
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A very interesting thread. Thanks to all who have contributed.
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Here is a vehicle that is unusual in Australia, a rare Imported 1941 Ford Deluxe Sedan Delivery for sale at local Swap Meet.
You can see the holes in the hood where that "waterfall" trim used to be.
What is unusual is that these 1941 Ford Sedan Deliveries (USA) and the 1941 Ford Coupe Utility (Australia) both were named Ford Deluxe.
They only came in these two body styles, the Sedan Delivery in the USA and the Coupe Utility in Australia.
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That sedan delivery is cool. Cas, that sounds like you had your hands full for a while there. Such COOL stuff!!!!! I spent most of an afternoon with Claude and Clel Ballard in Mountain Home Idaho. They once drove a beat up half track 60 miles down the interstate to get it home. If I recall correctly, one was a HS principal and the other a teacher. I wish I went to HS in Mountain Home. I also agree that this thread is exceedingly fun to read.
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GB, my best hunting grounds for halftracks was the sand hills of the pan handle of Nebraska. the old ranchers there told me they would go to the surplus dealer in Omaha, and buy 3 at a time. Drive one, tow the other 2 behind, about 400 miles !!! A great video out by Wyoming PBS shows much of the great blizzard of 49. Its a fascinating story (on youtube) of the blizzard and how the army stepped in to get food out to the stranded ranches by use of halftracks and Studebaker weasels. that was the deal breaker, every rancher wanted a halftrack after that winter. search that video, its a great story of yesteryear. Mercman, sorry to drift off on your wonderful history lesson here, keep it up please!
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We got a bit off track by showing the unique to Australia 1941 Ford Deluxe Utes and that imported 1941 Ford Deluxe Sedan Delivery, but I am glad that a lot of folks appreciate this Thread. I try to keep it interesting.
This time around, we have a 1939 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up sitting out in the open rusting away? Just hope that it was saved, as these vehicles are becoming increasingly rare. You never see them these days.
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another good one! you have all these photos, how many did you drag home! yeah, hindsight is 20-20. I cant count how many old cars i looked at for years, thinking i'll stop and ask about it some day, then, one day you drive by and its gone. love the aussie open cabs!!
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Australian Army 1940 Ford V8 Open Cab Marmon-Herrington 4x4 Truck under restoration.
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Australian Army 1940 Ford V8 Open Cab Marmon-Herrington 4x4 Truck under restoration.
“Under restoration” suggests this is a comparatively recent picture, yes? If so, I am confident those are 18” wheels, having many of my own. Are these tires in the 8.25-18” or 9.00-18” sizes available still in NZ or AU? Oh would I like to find a set of them. Stu
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I think I've heard an old expression 'The shoes make the man'. With trucks, especially those with four wheel drive, one could make a similar statement statement.
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truckdog62563, I contacted a fellow who is into restoring these old Military Fords, and he said that the correct size tyre for these wheels is 9.00 x 18.
He told me that these tyres are extremely difficult to buy, as they hardly come up for sale.
When you see them, you have to jump at the opportunity to purchase them.
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900x18 is used on the ww2 GMC amphibious ducks too i believe, I know of a few around here but did not know those boys were having problems getting tires
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Only the 7.50-18” uni-directional STA Super Traxion tire is available in the USA. Coker lists this as a traditional mud and snow traction pattern, but STA recently told me the Coker catalog has the wrong image for their tire. I have one set and will be adding another. Stu
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This time around, we have a 1941 Ford Marmon-Herrington 4x4 nearing completion.
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A 1940 Ford Marmon-Herrington 4x4 nearing completion, on display at a local Military Display.
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1941 Ford Open-Cab Marmon-Herrington 4x4 Military Truck and Ammunition Trailer.
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1941 Ford Open-Cab Marmon-Herrington 4x4 Military Truck and Ammunition Trailer.

OK, I give up.... That stuff is just too kool.........
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Interior shot of 1941 Ford Open-Cab Truck
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Early war tread pattern on the spare tire, before they came up with the NDT's, "non directional tread" pattern so the bad guys couldnt tell if you were comin or goin! Good stuff Mercman
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Black & White photograph of a very nice restored 1941 Ford Open-Cab Marmon-Herrington 4x4 Military Truck.
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There is one in Flynn's Wrecking Yard in Cooma.
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Page from an Album sent to me by a mate of a Military Vehicle Display- Australia
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Picture of a 1940 Ford Open-Cab Marmon-Herrington 4x4 Truck in action during World War II
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Great original photo of a 1940 Ford Open-Cab 4x4 Marmon-Herrington in Service during WWII.
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This time we have a picture of a 1939 Ford Open-Cab Truck in Military Service.
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All of the old trucks I have owned with original paint have their paint worn off of the top of the door where the driver's arm hangs out. I still drive like that as most of my junkers don't have turn signals, and rolling the window up and down just ain't gonna happen. Great photo (as always)
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Nice action shot! And, yeah GB thats where my arm would be too. Thanks mercman, keep em commin!
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Proud Owner with his restored 1941 Ford Open Cab Marmon-Herrington 4X4 Military Truck.
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And proud he should be! That represents a lot of hard work. And historically it represents a lot of sacrifice by an earlier generation that drove these beasts right smack into harm's way. We are talking some serious gun barrels with this MH in his sights....
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Australian 1940 Ford Open-Cab Pick-up.
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1940 Ford Light Open Cab Military Vehicles.
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Good stuff, keep em coming. looks like the blokes are out on the sand in north africa
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I can not even begin to tell you how bad I want one of these. very cool. thanks for showing us these.
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1940 Ford Light Open Cab Military Vehicles.[/QUOTE

This shot makes me want to go back and try that 41 front clip on my 4x4 RPU.
I need to cut my jailbar front fenders and they are awfully nice. My 41 front fenders are prettry much a mess, so I could alter all I want. Plus if it looked like this truck in the foreground when done I would consider it worth the extra work. Perhaps I will revive my thread of 40 front fenders so I can get some info from the experts on what fits what. OK, back to the Aussie war wagons. I would call those in this phota as 'gunships'. Dang they are so Cool!
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While this Ford is not a 1940 or 1941 model, I thought that you would be interested in seeing pictures. It is a 1942 Ford Marmon-Herrington LD 6-4, seen at the 17th Australian Early Ford V8 Nationals, held last weekend in Toowoomba, Queensland.
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Thanks so much for this Merc! That is a thing of beauty! I like that high stance with that heavy MH gear. My contraption is kind of hard to get in and out of even though it sits maybe 4" lower. Toyota landcruisers were created to be 4x4 from the ground up and the leaf springs are placed under the axles instead of on top, I turned 68 today and I bet the average soldier driving that '42 was about 18-20 years old. Running boards should fix that some for me. I harvested some running board brackets off a parts truck over the weekend.
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Happy birthday GB. You're open cab is lookin good.
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Happy birthday GB. You're open cab is lookin good.
Thanks for your always positive input. I really need to start a 4x4 RPU thread so I stop butting into this one.
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Thanks so much for this Merc! That is a thing of beauty! I like that high stance with that heavy MH gear. My contraption is kind of hard to get in and out of even though it sits maybe 4" lower. Toyota landcruisers were created to be 4x4 from the ground up and the leaf springs are placed under the axles instead of on top, I turned 68 today and I bet the average soldier driving that '42 was about 18-20 years old. Running boards should fix that some for me. I harvested some running board brackets off a parts truck over the weekend.
I was trying to figure out what that was on the left front fender ........we all get thirsty !!!!!! LOL......Happy Birthday young fella’....... Mark
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Similar vehicle as in my Post 147. Keep up teh good work.
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Your rear Fenders are too modern?
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Judging by the wheels and hubs shown in GB Sisson pic, I would think that the running gear under the Ford is not MH. Marmon-Harrington generally used the early '36-39 wheels and hubs through '47 on their 4 x conversions.
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But.... Sure looks like the oval MH badging.... Just sayin'
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Here is a picture of the Marmon-Herrington Badge. on this 1942 Ford Truck.
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Judging by the wheels and hubs shown in GB Sisson pic, I would think that the running gear under the Ford is not MH. Marmon-Harrington generally used the early '36-39 wheels and hubs through '47 on their 4 x conversions.

Blucar... I re-reading this I'm thinking you thought my six lug setup was MH.... OR you thought Mine wasn't MH.... This creation of mine is a poser... Some old jailbar sheet metal on the chassis/drivetrain of a '70s toyota landcruiser 4 door wagon that was our family car and later my kids drove to school. Both were sitting on the property doing nothing so I combined the two.
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GB, " so I combined the two" quite well I must say !
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Australian RHD 1940 or 1941 Ford Open Cab One-Tonner Pick-Up. The rear Side Boards have been lowered?
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Spotted this one at Picton Swap Meet a week ago, it may have been shown before 20210613_070322.jpg
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Bill, Thanks for sharing this 1940 Ford V8 Open Cab Pick-Up that you saw at a recent Swap Meet. A real lovely survivor.
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Something different - British Ford V8 Military Vehicles.
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I'm ready when you are !
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I have re-visited this thread looking for factory cowl trucks with a folding windshield. The best example here is the jailbar on a trailer as the majority here are a cowl with windshield from the factory. Somewhere here I saw some big trucks such as bomb carriers with fold down windshield. Any pics of these trucks would be appreciated. Thanks
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Australian 1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up.
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WOW ! I like it just the way it is. Is that a recent photo? Military junk yard? Looks like tank road wheels in the bed. Thanks for more Mercman !
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Closer detail pictures of this Australian 1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up.
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Interior shots of the Australian 1941 Ford Open Cab Pick-Up.
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That truck illustrates the correct view of the term "survivor" . Any story to go with it Trevor?
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Interesting wheels on that 1941 open cab pickup.
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Open Cab Ford Pick-Up loaded up and ready for service.
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Having changed countless big truck wheels/tires with multi-piece wheels I have wondered why they didn't continue the ww2 vintage 'combat rims' we see here. The two halves of the two piece wheel are simply bolted together. No prying, no special tools. I have two 16" jeep wheels that are combat rims still in service on a trailer. Yes, when they are old and crusty, they don't just slip apart, but it is not a bad solution to stiff sidewall/change in the field necessity of 'back country and military applications. I think even my commercial style lawnmower uses them now that I think of it....
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Totally agree GB, anyone who has broken down a crusty combat wheel would agree too. It was however a good idea when they were new. More expensive to make I assume, but all the "do it yourselfers" would have enjoyed working on those wheels instead of the many options that followed in the next couple decades. The "widow makers" were sure a good idea huh !
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Being somewhat of a student of WWII, I can very clearly recall hearing the news on the radio in my Dad's '40 Chevy that the Japanese had attack Pearl Harbor.
Looking at many of the areas world wide where-in WWII was raging, the Middle East, Pacific Rim, Europe and Eastern Europe, I seem to note a large number of Ford built trucks of all sizes, many of which are four wheel drive, being used by the British in the early part of the War. I guess this could be due to the fact that the British, Germans, Russia's etc., had been at it for almost three years before America entered the war in '41.
Ford seems to have played a very big part with the British and German armies, most likely because Ford had factories in the Common Wealth and Germany.
The U.S. played a hide and seek game during the '39-41 period sending vehicles to England and Russia via the Lend-Lease program, the majority of these vehicles were Chevrolet's and Studebaker medium duty trucks. The Studebaker's are very easy to spot with their slanted windshields which the Russians copied clear into the 1970's.
The Japanese also used a large number of Ford vehicles in the war, of course they were mostly comundered vehicles from the areas they over ran.
On a side note: I recently read an article about the Garand M1 rifles that the Japanese captured in large numbers. Being the very cleaver people that the Japanese are, they put the M1''s into service. They had a problem with the use of the M1's because of the difference in the ammo. Of course the Japanese had captured large a amounts of 30-06 ammo, however the vast amount of captured ammo was British 303.. To solve this problem the Japanese set up a factory in Japan to reverse engineer the M'1's so they could build them... Remember Patton's statement describing the M1 rifle as "being the greatest battle weapon ever invented.".
The Japanese were not successful with their effort to copy the M1, after over a year of trying they gave up on the idea and continued with their old bolt action rifles.
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Check out the slight differences in the Hoods of the 1940 and 1941 Ford Commercials.
Notice that the 1940 Ford Commercial has a V8 pressed into each side, while it was removed on the 1941 Ford Commercial models.
When the V8 pressing was removed on the 1941 Ford Commercial, the V8 on the Hubcap was also removed and replaced with a Ford Script.
That was because in the USA a new Flathead Six was an Optional Engine.
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Parking lights in the crab-eye mounts? Neato!!
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also removed because you could have also had a 4 cylinder, a 6 cylinder and two V8's
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1940 and 1941 Ford Tail Gates compared. Notice that the V8 has been omitted on the updated 1941 Ford Tail Gate. However, none of these Tail Gates were ever offered on Ford Pick-Ups sold in Australia, as our Beds were wider than the narrow Beds on USA Pick-Ups.
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Larger Tail Gate on Australian 1940 Ford Pick-Ups because of the wider Tray that all Australian Pick-ups received. Compare the size of the Australian 1940/1941 Ford Tonner Tail Gates with the same year USA Tonner Tail Gates in the previous Post.
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1941 Australian Ford Open-Cab Pick-Up.
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I almost bought a 1941 Ford ute a few years back, It was near Perth Australia...I was really interested in it until I got the shipping quote $5000...They wanted more to ship it to the U.S. than what the sale price of the vehicle was $4400...It was in fair condition and had the 40 Ford standard grille with trim just like a 41 Ford sedan delivery...Right hand drive with no motor or tranny...Very rare and very cool...Still wish I could have gotten it!
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Ford Australia Identification Manual - Page for the 1941 Ford Ute. Griffin's 41 Ford, that Ute that you were interested in buying might have been a 1941 model. Compare it with this illustration.

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Here is a picture of an Australian 1941 Ford Deluxe Coupe Utility. The one that Griffin was going to buy may have been like this one?
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Australian 1940 Ford Deluxe Coupe Utility. Ford Australia only offered the Coupe Utes in Standard and Deluxe models in 1939 and 1940. All earlier models were only available as Standard models. What is unusual is that the 1941 Ford Coupe Utility had Ford Deluxe on the side of the Hood - (see previous picture of a 1941 Ford Deluxe Coupe Ute)
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Old 09-04-2021, 12:21 AM   #187
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1940 Ford Standard showing the different Grille and painted Headlight Surrounds on Standard models.
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Pair of 1940-1941 Open-Cab Pick-ups waiting to be rescued. The one on the right is a 1941 model. Without a Hood, I cannot tell the year of the one on the left.
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Pair of 1940-1941 Open-Cab Pick-ups waiting to be rescued. The one on the right is a 1941 model. Without a Hood, I cannot tell the year of the one on the left.

Hard to tell for sure from the photo but the one without the hood appears to be pre 1940. It looks like it has a one piece windshield. If you look closely it looks like you can see the joint on the windshield frame on the driver's side - Australia. passenger side - US where the frame is joined. But this is at best a scientific wild ass guess.
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Open-Cab Pick-up - frontal view.
Notice that the Wipers are mounted at the top of the Windscreen.
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Here is a Close up Shot of Open-Cab Ford Pick-Up. Notice that the opening Windshield Frame is still in place. What year is this one?
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I would say that the truck without a hood is a '39. Crank-out windshield and reflector headlight in lieu of sealed beams. It would appear that both trucks are Marmon Harington
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1939 Ford Pick-Up top opening Windscreen confirming what blucar mentioned.
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As I recall the '37-39 Ford trucks all share the same windshield (windscreen) in down under speak. I also noted the wiper post in the overhead right side, but forgot to mention it.
I have had a lot of experience with the '36-39 Ford trucks. I restored a '37 1/2 ton many years ago, parted out three of them in the process of gathering the best parts.
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