dull paint

[shoe box Jack]

HI guys, The original paint on my 85 crown vic. is turning real dull would clay bar be a good idea??. Jack.

[petehoovie]

Is it 'clear coated'?

[shoe box Jack]

NO, Pete.

[shoe box Jack]

NO Pete.

[tubman]

There are many sites on the internet that address this problem.

Hopefully, this is not one of them.

[Lawson Cox]

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Originally Posted by tubman

There are many sites on the internet that address this problem.

Hopefully, this is not one of them.

And why not??

[50fordcoupeman]

I use a random orbital buffer and Meguiars polishing compounds to remove discolorations and swirls. Very satisfied with results. Clay bar won't work for what you are asking.

[tubman]

Originally Posted by Lawson Cox

And why not??

"85 Crown Vic"?

Please.

[shoe box Jack]

Tubman, Would it have made a difference if I had of said 35 ford??? Jack.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by shoe box Jack

Tubman, Would it have made a difference if I had of said 35 ford??? Jack.

Yes, a huge difference. An '86 Crown Vic? Really?

[tomcarman]

Interesting juxtapostion going on. GB Sisson recently posted a thread titled "Whose gonna fill Their shoes". So an '85 Crown Victoria is now 35 years old. In 1970 a '35 Ford would have been 35 years old. I recognize the focus of this forum, yet it seems to me an open mind would consider both the past and the future. 50fordcoupeman and Tubman in #5 offered positive responses. It would be very interesting to me to hear how experienced body and paint guys resurrect dull, flakey and oxidized paint whether it's a '35 or an '85. I know little to nothing abount paint chemistry.

[Tinker]

Well Tom this is a site about ol'timely cars. So I say cover it in motor old. It'll shine fine but be sticky for a couple weeks. Repeat as needed.

thousands of videos on youtube... to be fair. type in dull paint 85 crown vic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHdCnN8o4_Q

To be fair, people come here to know how to make a 35 taillight to work or whatever. There is plenty of sites dealing with 80s paint. Now if you were asking if I have lacquer original paint or urethane. I could say get a rag with mineral spirits and see if it wipes away in an area you can't see. but I don't think I need to fill my shoes with 85 crown vics at this point. Although I wouldn't mind having one!

Dan Aykroyd would say look for a state dept marquis/marauder.

[tomcarman]

Originally Posted by Tinker

Well Tom this is a site about ol'timely cars. So I say cover it in motor old. It'll shine fine but be sticky for a couple weeks. Repeat as needed.


thousands of videos on youtube... to be fair. type in dull paint 83 crown vic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHdCnN8o4_Q


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Indeed ol'timely cars is what this site is about. I fully recognize AND appreciate that. What I'm getting at is automotive paint has been here from the beginning. I've read about lacquer back in the day and now all different chemical mixes are out there. Aside from watching the no expense spared high dollar almost unbelievable car shows how does one attempt to do their best to restore paint in the garage? I have a '49 Nash with heavily oxidized paint. A number of years ago I picked a spot on the drivers rear fender and started out with rubbing compound. About a football size. After many many hours of rubbing I switched to polishing compound. Looked great when finished. A lot of hand work. Now there are advertised products that supposedly do it in at instant. Youtube is full of tutorials. Question is whether it's a '35 or '85 what's the difference in paint? Regarding this thread my advice for the OP is look at Youtube tutorials, do the work and report back so hopefully we can all learn something.

[Tinker]

Nope you talked about including new people and cars. If that means compromising what we do here. well I disagree. Paint is very different. I guess if someone was asking about their car that is pre-war I'd be onboard. I don't really give 2 poops about a 85 crown vic here. Plenty of places for that.

As mentioned there is plenty of information about paint. Think that was covered.


This is one the last few places I can still come and just talk old fords as old fords. Guess I should have left this thread to die on the vine. My bad.




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[RalphG]

I've always been a big fan of Turtle products. Years ago they had one called "Pre wax cleaner" that did a great job of removing oxidized paint on any of my old and not so old paint vehicles. Lately I've resorted to Turtle rubbing compound for severe oxidixing or damage. Used it on the 52 Merc and after many hours of work I'm happy with the results.

[tomcarman]

Tinker. Calm down and have a sip or three of some Stravinsky. Pre-war.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by tomcarman

Tinker. Calm down and have a sip or three of some Stravinsky. Pre-war.

Thanks!!! I don't drink hard liquor. Guess I'll start.

[cas3]

Its a question about buffing paint. If the OP had not mentioned what car it was on he would have had about 30 suggestions and no negative comments. again, its about buffing paint period.

[tomcarman]

Originally Posted by Tinker

Thanks!!! I don't drink hard liquor. Guess I'll start.

I don't drink hard liquor either. Dave Mckenna jazz piano on Youtube might help. Seriously, I'd like to know what has developed over the years in paint chemistry. Surely there are some crackerjack painters on this Forum that could give us some knowledge in a nutshell.

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by tomcarman

I'd like to know what has developed over the years in paint chemistry. Surely there are some crackerjack painters on this Forum that could give us some knowledge in a nutshell.

Sounds good, it's really been answered a few times.

[petehoovie]

I especially like Stravinsky's Symphony No.1 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk1V...=DavidGersamia

[Tinker]

I'm a fan of the firebird. If you asking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZkIAVGlfWk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYSG8AQO3tw

[shoe box Jack]

Hi Guys, Sorry I did'nt mean to offend anyone. I will be more careful with my questions. from now on, Jack.

[bobH]

Clear coat, or not, I've had great success using modern polishing / rubbing products, followed by modern wax or protectant. So, in answer to the original question, I'd say 'yes', give it a try. Can't hurt. And, if you are apprehensive, try it on a small discreet area.
Apology not needed. Pay no attention, as needed.
(I think you will find that there are several guys here, that have clear coat paint on their old Fords, even back pre-war and beyond. So, in my book, you question is easily justified, even though I don't think there is any reason for 'justification'.)

[Cecil/WV]

I can't believe that after all the discussion about a CROWN VIC that someone would have the nerve to mention a NASH! What's this site coming to?? LOL!

[shoe box Jack]

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Maybe this is whats ment by the new wave ? Jack.

[Digger]

To answer the OP‘s question, clay blocking is only a first step and is used mainly to remove remove grit and grime from the paint surface. I just bought a Maguires synthetically block and man is it an amazing works great and you don’t have to worry about dropping it on the ground and then having to throw it away like you do with an actual piece of clay. So yes start with clay blocking the car, rub your hand on it feel if it smooth enough, and if so then what I use is the three stages of 3M perfect it product. Each of the three levels has its own concoction, and its own pad. I use the 3 inch pads for more control, But it does take longer. In your case you may only need to do number two and number three stages, as number one stage goes down pretty deep. I have done this recently on a 30 year old lacquer paint job, came out stunning. So good luck with your project

[GB SISSON]

To get flat paint I add cornstarch. The next guy can buff it out with whatever he chooses. If I buffed my stuff out the world would see my lack of skill with body work. Just sayin,....

[tomcarman]

Originally Posted by Cecil/WV

I can't believe that after all the discussion about a CROWN VIC that someone would have the nerve to mention a NASH! What's this site coming to?? LOL!

Hilarious! Off topic but my brother is a '32 Ford guy. Period. Whenever he comes in close contact with my '49 Nash he puts a paper bag over his head. For those with long memories recall the Unknown Comic or early N.O. Saints football fans.