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HCO41 · 10-04-2013, 05:06 PM

Starting to put together parts needed to put an 8ba style engine into my '37, to replace the 60hp. Have truck cast iron clutch cover. Have V8Bob's and Moe's PDF but would like part numbers for 48-52 truck pan and starter plate (indented) and PN for 49-early 51 Merc. pan and flat starter plate. Can I mix and match these parts including the bracket(s), (need PNs), that tie clutch cover/starter plate to the pan?
Are any of these combinations preferred for this conversion. I tend to like the 49-e51 parts if they would work with the cast iron truck clutch cover. I assume any combination requires the special Mercury oil pickup.

42merc · 10-04-2013, 05:51 PM

The parts you mentioned can be mixed.
The 50 Merc Pan is a better fit than the truck pan. The drag link tends to rub on the truck pan, but can massaged to fit.
The Merc pan requires the Merc oil pickup tube.
Pretty straight forward, use the '37 to '41 exhaust manifolds, the 8RT truck water pumps, wide belt lower pulley & generator pulley to match.
Also you will need a truck 8RT flywheel for the 10" clutch to match your throw out bearing.
One more thing, a '49-'51 Merc flywheel & clutch will work with the large throw out bearing, but you must use the flat starter plate.

HCO41 · 10-04-2013, 06:38 PM

Thanks 42Merc, That last sentence is the stuff that's hard to get from the general info on this conversion. Seems I've heard truck flywheel is heavier than car so I'll look for the Merc. flywheel and flat starter plate with bracket. Who knows an 8cm might pop up.

19Fordy · 10-04-2013, 06:38 PM

The part # for the 49-51 Merc oil pan is 8CM 6675-C. This pan has the stud reinforcement on the bottom of the pan. Part # 1CM 6675 is for the 1951 Merc and does not have the stud reinforcement on the bottom of the pan. The part # for the 49-51 Merc pressed steel bell housing is 8CM 6392. The matching 49-51 Merc starter plate is part # 8CM 6366-C. I was always told that you needed the matching starter plate that goes with the bellhousing. I don't know if the 8BA starter plates will work with the Merc bell housings. Might be worth finding out.

HCO41 · 10-04-2013, 06:50 PM

Thanks 19FORDY, I hope the flat plate will work with the truck cast clutch housing. The guy I got the part from also had the pressed steel one from the Mercury, same price, I chose the cast iron. I'll get in touch with him to see if he still has it, if I need it, and if he may have the flat starter plate.
I used to hang out in junkyards when I was supposed to be in school. If we saw parts like this laying around we'd throw them on the steel heap. Little did we know!

V8COOPMAN · 10-04-2013, 07:22 PM

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42merc · 10-04-2013, 08:21 PM

8RT & 8CM bell housings One is cast iron, one is stamped steel either one will work with a
Flat starter plate or an indented starter plate. An 8BA plate WILL NOT WORK for this application. A mercury flywheel will rub the indented plate.
Don't worry about the lower three bolt bracket that ties the plate to the pan, they will mix & match.

HCO41 · 10-06-2013, 10:50 AM

Thanks to all. V8COOPMAN, when I first printed out the PDF, I also printed descriptions behind ?s, glued the description to the appropriate picture and put all into binder. The PDF is invaluable, but the PNs are not included, just description. (I only have "Green book to '48 (cars), '47 (trucks)). I would need later truck and Mercury parts manuals to look up these PNs. Got enough info. from above to start looking for the right parts.
My clutch cover doesn't have "cup" to cover end of starter. Looked on eb.y and Barn swap and found nothing. I assume this part is pressed in, is there a PN for it?

10-04-2013, 05:06 PM	#1
HCO41 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Lyndon, Vt. Posts: 456	Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early Starting to put together parts needed to put an 8ba style engine into my '37, to replace the 60hp. Have truck cast iron clutch cover. Have V8Bob's and Moe's PDF but would like part numbers for 48-52 truck pan and starter plate (indented) and PN for 49-early 51 Merc. pan and flat starter plate. Can I mix and match these parts including the bracket(s), (need PNs), that tie clutch cover/starter plate to the pan? Are any of these combinations preferred for this conversion. I tend to like the 49-e51 parts if they would work with the cast iron truck clutch cover. I assume any combination requires the special Mercury oil pickup.

10-04-2013, 05:51 PM	#2
42merc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Buchanan, MI Posts: 676	Re: Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early The parts you mentioned can be mixed. The 50 Merc Pan is a better fit than the truck pan. The drag link tends to rub on the truck pan, but can massaged to fit. The Merc pan requires the Merc oil pickup tube. Pretty straight forward, use the '37 to '41 exhaust manifolds, the 8RT truck water pumps, wide belt lower pulley & generator pulley to match. Also you will need a truck 8RT flywheel for the 10" clutch to match your throw out bearing. One more thing, a '49-'51 Merc flywheel & clutch will work with the large throw out bearing, but you must use the flat starter plate.

10-04-2013, 06:38 PM	#3
HCO41 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Lyndon, Vt. Posts: 456	Re: Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early Thanks 42Merc, That last sentence is the stuff that's hard to get from the general info on this conversion. Seems I've heard truck flywheel is heavier than car so I'll look for the Merc. flywheel and flat starter plate with bracket. Who knows an 8cm might pop up.

10-04-2013, 06:38 PM	#4
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,933	Re: Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early The part # for the 49-51 Merc oil pan is 8CM 6675-C. This pan has the stud reinforcement on the bottom of the pan. Part # 1CM 6675 is for the 1951 Merc and does not have the stud reinforcement on the bottom of the pan. The part # for the 49-51 Merc pressed steel bell housing is 8CM 6392. The matching 49-51 Merc starter plate is part # 8CM 6366-C. I was always told that you needed the matching starter plate that goes with the bellhousing. I don't know if the 8BA starter plates will work with the Merc bell housings. Might be worth finding out.

10-04-2013, 06:50 PM	#5
HCO41 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Lyndon, Vt. Posts: 456	Re: Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early Thanks 19FORDY, I hope the flat plate will work with the truck cast clutch housing. The guy I got the part from also had the pressed steel one from the Mercury, same price, I chose the cast iron. I'll get in touch with him to see if he still has it, if I need it, and if he may have the flat starter plate. I used to hang out in junkyards when I was supposed to be in school. If we saw parts like this laying around we'd throw them on the steel heap. Little did we know!

10-04-2013, 07:22 PM	#6
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,107	Re: Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Below is the link to V8BOB and MOEFUZ's famous an priceless compilation and ID of flathead bells and starter plates. When it downloads, put your cursor on the ? (question marks) to ID each number. DD http://www.flatheadv8.org/bellhousing.pdf __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

10-04-2013, 08:21 PM	#7
42merc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Buchanan, MI Posts: 676	Re: Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early 8RT & 8CM bell housings One is cast iron, one is stamped steel either one will work with a Flat starter plate or an indented starter plate. An 8BA plate WILL NOT WORK for this application. A mercury flywheel will rub the indented plate. Don't worry about the lower three bolt bracket that ties the plate to the pan, they will mix & match.

10-06-2013, 10:50 AM	#8
HCO41 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Lyndon, Vt. Posts: 456	Re: Truck vs Merc. parts 8ba to early Thanks to all. V8COOPMAN, when I first printed out the PDF, I also printed descriptions behind ?s, glued the description to the appropriate picture and put all into binder. The PDF is invaluable, but the PNs are not included, just description. (I only have "Green book to '48 (cars), '47 (trucks)). I would need later truck and Mercury parts manuals to look up these PNs. Got enough info. from above to start looking for the right parts. My clutch cover doesn't have "cup" to cover end of starter. Looked on eb.y and Barn swap and found nothing. I assume this part is pressed in, is there a PN for it?