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Steve/IL · 04-12-2014, 05:14 PM

I just saw a new reproduction 94 Carburetor on ebay that I have never heard of before. It's called a 'Fuel Force Bully 94'. The price is $249.95.
It is advertised as, 'the same as', an Edelbrock 94 #1151. Not sure of the manufacturer's company name? Fuel Force? Has any heard of or had any experience with this new reproduction carburetor? At least it looks nice!

green50 · 04-12-2014, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve/IL

I just saw a new reproduction 94 Carburetor on ebay that I have never heard of before. It's called a 'Fuel Force Bully 94'. The price is $249.95.
It is advertised as, 'the same as', an Edelbrock 94 #1151. Not sure of the manufacturer's company name? Fuel Force? Has any heard of or had any experience with this new reproduction carburetor? At least it looks nice!

I saw them too. I'm thinking China.

KiWinUS · 04-12-2014, 06:28 PM

Carpenters "NEW" 94 is also "CHINA"

Ol' Ron · 04-12-2014, 10:05 PM

As we knock the chinese made parts for our hobby, just think about of it? Just what is made in the us. for one thing every nut and bolt in your local hdw store is made in china. So were the Jeep wheel bearings for my dodge disk brake conversion. If it wasn't for the Chunese we'd be walking around naked. It's just business.

ford38v8 · 04-12-2014, 10:07 PM

Ol' Ron, please don't make me think of you naked.

Ol' Ron · 04-13-2014, 08:46 AM

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Never thought of that, neither would I.

keith oh · 04-13-2014, 08:55 AM

Without China, there would be parts, just more expensive and probably better built. (But then there is Mexico and Argentina.) I got a 35 temp. gauge made in Argentina, (from Mac Ford), it works but is not a real good fit.

green50 · 04-13-2014, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ol' Ron

As we knock the chinese made parts for our hobby, just think about of it? Just what is made in the us. for one thing every nut and bolt in your local hdw store is made in china. So were the Jeep wheel bearings for my dodge disk brake conversion. If it wasn't for the Chunese we'd be walking around naked. It's just business.

This is a sad but true fact Ron. Most products we get/use here in the U.S. are from China. It's just hard to put a Chinese part on a Ford made in the U.S. of U.S. iron.

oj · 04-13-2014, 11:08 AM

Its kinda like the Chinese make either very good high quality parts or junk, there isn't a middle ground.
Trouble is when look at a picture it is hard to tell if it is junk.
I go more by who sells it here in the U.S., when coming from Macs I assume it will be junk that I can manage to made do with, theres a couple others of the same calibre.

Mart · 04-13-2014, 11:24 AM

I was looking at those carbs and it said assembled in the USA.

Just saying.

Mart.

scooder · 04-13-2014, 01:55 PM

I think the quality of the Chinese or wherever parts is down to who wanted them reproduced.
For example. Say "Jack Ford parts" wants to sell repro horn button. He goes to a US manufacturing plant and says " how much to make 5000 of these? They say "$30 a piece" Jack decides folk won't pay that. So he goes to the chinks, how much to repro these? " we can do them real nice for £25 each, or we can do an "ok" version with looser tolerance (lower reject at quality control, cheaper plating on the thinner metal part, and less finishing on the part for $10 a piece. Jack sees more sales and more profit. Guess where jacks parts come from?
Jacks Ford parts is a made up company for this examplethe Chinese will make what you ask for, want crap? Yep they can do it. Want good? Yep they can do that to.
Where is the blame?
Martin.

Sal · 04-13-2014, 02:05 PM

We're bringing up their standard of living. Their manufacturing will improve over time ( like that of Japan ). The metallurgy will become good also, then some day they might have enough advancements to take over the world because we slowly helped them.

tubman · 04-13-2014, 05:45 PM

Let's get this back on track. Has anybody bought one of these or have any experience with them?

AnthonyG · 10-30-2015, 01:10 PM

I'm thinking their not selling too good as they are on e-bay at $224.99 now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Flathea...5TZ6O4&vxp=mtr

Fordors · 10-30-2015, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mart

I was looking at those carbs and it said assembled in the USA.

Just saying.

Mart.

I never considered manufactured and assembled to be synonymous.

scicala · 10-30-2015, 01:59 PM

I would much rather rebuild/restore an original. More authentic and cheaper than even the Chinese made versions. The one on EBAY looks cheap in the pictures, so worse in you're hand. Looks like the bowl cover screws might be self tapping too. No way for me. Too many originals still around.

Sal

SofaKing · 10-30-2015, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mart

I was looking at those carbs and it said assembled in the USA.

Just saying.

Mart.

The Federal Trade Commission definition of "Assembled in the USA" is very vague. Given the respect that the Chinese show for intellectual property, patents, trademarks, private property, personal privacy, corporate privacy, international law or freedom of the seas, etc, I would never expect them to simply print a deceptive label and see if someone will try and take legal action.

On the other hand, why buy a knock-off if you get an original?

BUBBAS IGNITION · 10-30-2015, 03:19 PM

WE CAN BE A TOUGH BUNCH SOME TIMES.

A little google work and i found that National Carburetor in Jacksonville Fl, has been building carbs since 1954 are selling this carb.
You can do a virtual tour of their plant in Fla here:

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/tour.html

the 94 sale flyer...

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/downloads/ffad.pdf

ford38v8 · 10-30-2015, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUBBAS IGNITION

WE CAN BE A TOUGH BUNCH SOME TIMES.

A little google work and i found that National Carburetor in Jacksonville Fl, has been building carbs since 1954 are selling this carb.
You can do a virtual tour of their plant in Fla here:

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/tour.html

the 94 sale flyer...

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/downloads/ffad.pdf

Impressive video. Puts a different perspective on "assembled in America". Thanks for posting!

petehoovie · 10-30-2015, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUBBAS IGNITION

WE CAN BE A TOUGH BUNCH SOME TIMES.

A little google work and i found that National Carburetor in Jacksonville Fl, has been building carbs since 1954 are selling this carb.
You can do a virtual tour of their plant in Fla here:

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/tour.html

the 94 sale flyer...

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/downloads/ffad.pdf

Flyer says "Lifetime Warranty"....

Bruce Lancaster · 11-01-2015, 06:51 PM

And according to that flyer there's a 97 too.

GB SISSON · 11-01-2015, 09:07 PM

They look good, but I bought 2 clean, complete 94s for 20 bucks each at the Monroe swap meet, and a couple of kits at a nearby ford parts vendors booth for about 30 bucks. They just don't seem too hard to find or to work on. The kits had a float valve that wasn't a needle, but they work really well. Nice to see jobs kept in the states. Three cheers for National!

40 Deluxe · 11-01-2015, 11:30 PM

The video sure looks like this outfit is a rebuilder, NOT a carburetor manufacturer! And they say they "developed" those 94 and 97 carbs; they do not say they manufacture them! To "develop" can mean they thought of the idea and sent a couple of carbs to China to be copied, or that they actually drew up plans, made and tested some prototypes and then went to China.

uncle buck · 11-03-2015, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by petehoovie

Flyer says "Lifetime Warranty"....

After my last experience with a "Lifetime Warranty" , that means nothing , but that was Flaming River not National Carburetor.

flatheadmurre · 11-03-2015, 12:58 PM

One can only wish that the copies are good and all parts are up to specs.
When they start altering just a bit to either dodge the owner rights or cut corners theres soon a lot of non fitting parts and carbs you cant rebuild in the future.

trainguy · 11-03-2015, 02:42 PM

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I have one on my 51 conv.,they work good.Phil

uncle buck · 11-03-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by trainguy

I have one on my 51 conv.,they work good.Phil

That's a positive response. I am curious about using a pair on a dual carb 8ba

jake197000 · 11-03-2015, 09:44 PM

china could care less about us they shake your hand with one and a knife in the other.corprate greed. and our weak government. sorry.but i am tired of there junk. id pay the price for quality.its comin back slowly.

2935ford · 11-04-2015, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUBBAS IGNITION

WE CAN BE A TOUGH BUNCH SOME TIMES.

A little google work and i found that National Carburetor in Jacksonville Fl, has been building carbs since 1954 are selling this carb.
You can do a virtual tour of their plant in Fla here:

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/tour.html

the 94 sale flyer...

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/downloads/ffad.pdf

I hope they have a new flyer.....those prices are a year old?
Still does not state where they are made?

04-12-2014, 06:28 PM	#3
KiWinUS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Charlotte NC KiWi-L100 available here Posts: 2,954	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor Carpenters "NEW" 94 is also "CHINA"

04-12-2014, 10:05 PM	#4
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,857	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor As we knock the chinese made parts for our hobby, just think about of it? Just what is made in the us. for one thing every nut and bolt in your local hdw store is made in china. So were the Jeep wheel bearings for my dodge disk brake conversion. If it wasn't for the Chunese we'd be walking around naked. It's just business.

04-12-2014, 10:07 PM	#5
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,635	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor Ol' Ron, please don't make me think of you naked. __________________ Alan

04-13-2014, 08:46 AM	#6
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,857	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Never thought of that, neither would I.

04-13-2014, 08:55 AM	#7
keith oh Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Millersport, central ohio Posts: 668	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor Without China, there would be parts, just more expensive and probably better built. (But then there is Mexico and Argentina.) I got a 35 temp. gauge made in Argentina, (from Mac Ford), it works but is not a real good fit.

04-12-2014, 05:14 PM	#1
Steve/IL Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 370	Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor I just saw a new reproduction 94 Carburetor on ebay that I have never heard of before. It's called a 'Fuel Force Bully 94'. The price is $249.95. It is advertised as, 'the same as', an Edelbrock 94 #1151. Not sure of the manufacturer's company name? Fuel Force? Has any heard of or had any experience with this new reproduction carburetor? At least it looks nice! __________________ I've got the old car disease. Thankfully there's no cure!

04-13-2014, 11:08 AM	#9
oj Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 293	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor Its kinda like the Chinese make either very good high quality parts or junk, there isn't a middle ground. Trouble is when look at a picture it is hard to tell if it is junk. I go more by who sells it here in the U.S., when coming from Macs I assume it will be junk that I can manage to made do with, theres a couple others of the same calibre.

04-13-2014, 11:24 AM	#10
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,745	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor I was looking at those carbs and it said assembled in the USA. Just saying. Mart.

04-13-2014, 01:55 PM	#11
scooder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,593	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor I think the quality of the Chinese or wherever parts is down to who wanted them reproduced. For example. Say "Jack Ford parts" wants to sell repro horn button. He goes to a US manufacturing plant and says " how much to make 5000 of these? They say "$30 a piece" Jack decides folk won't pay that. So he goes to the chinks, how much to repro these? " we can do them real nice for £25 each, or we can do an "ok" version with looser tolerance (lower reject at quality control, cheaper plating on the thinner metal part, and less finishing on the part for $10 a piece. Jack sees more sales and more profit. Guess where jacks parts come from? Jacks Ford parts is a made up company for this examplethe Chinese will make what you ask for, want crap? Yep they can do it. Want good? Yep they can do that to. Where is the blame? Martin.

04-13-2014, 02:05 PM	#12
Sal Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor We're bringing up their standard of living. Their manufacturing will improve over time ( like that of Japan ). The metallurgy will become good also, then some day they might have enough advancements to take over the world because we slowly helped them.

04-13-2014, 05:45 PM	#13
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,303	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor Let's get this back on track. Has anybody bought one of these or have any experience with them?

10-30-2015, 01:10 PM	#14
AnthonyG Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Pa. Posts: 2,165	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor I'm thinking their not selling too good as they are on e-bay at $224.99 now http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Flathea...5TZ6O4&vxp=mtr __________________ Nomad

10-30-2015, 01:59 PM	#16
scicala Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Detroit suburb, MI Posts: 3,698	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor I would much rather rebuild/restore an original. More authentic and cheaper than even the Chinese made versions. The one on EBAY looks cheap in the pictures, so worse in you're hand. Looks like the bowl cover screws might be self tapping too. No way for me. Too many originals still around. Sal

10-30-2015, 03:19 PM	#18
BUBBAS IGNITION Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: SPEEDWAY INDIANA Posts: 4,148	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor WE CAN BE A TOUGH BUNCH SOME TIMES. A little google work and i found that National Carburetor in Jacksonville Fl, has been building carbs since 1954 are selling this carb. You can do a virtual tour of their plant in Fla here: http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/tour.html the 94 sale flyer... http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/downloads/ffad.pdf __________________ If it Makes Spark, we do it !!!! www.bubbasignition.com [email protected]

11-01-2015, 06:51 PM	#21
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor And according to that flyer there's a 97 too.

11-01-2015, 09:07 PM	#22
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,916	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor They look good, but I bought 2 clean, complete 94s for 20 bucks each at the Monroe swap meet, and a couple of kits at a nearby ford parts vendors booth for about 30 bucks. They just don't seem too hard to find or to work on. The kits had a float valve that wasn't a needle, but they work really well. Nice to see jobs kept in the states. Three cheers for National! __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

11-01-2015, 11:30 PM	#23
40 Deluxe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: now Kuna, Idaho Posts: 3,778	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor The video sure looks like this outfit is a rebuilder, NOT a carburetor manufacturer! And they say they "developed" those 94 and 97 carbs; they do not say they manufacture them! To "develop" can mean they thought of the idea and sent a couple of carbs to China to be copied, or that they actually drew up plans, made and tested some prototypes and then went to China.

11-03-2015, 12:58 PM	#25
flatheadmurre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 3,045	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor One can only wish that the copies are good and all parts are up to specs. When they start altering just a bit to either dodge the owner rights or cut corners theres soon a lot of non fitting parts and carbs you cant rebuild in the future.

11-03-2015, 02:42 PM	#26
trainguy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lehighton Pa Posts: 1,085	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have one on my 51 conv.,they work good.Phil

11-03-2015, 09:44 PM	#28
jake197000 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 349	Re: Fuel Force Bully 94 Carburetor china could care less about us they shake your hand with one and a knife in the other.corprate greed. and our weak government. sorry.but i am tired of there junk. id pay the price for quality.its comin back slowly.