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Old 12-17-2014, 10:09 PM   #241
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Trying to do things the money way isn't working for you.
They didn't have these tools in the day.
I would get a round heavy duty punch or chisel and a big hammer.
They sell new hex nuts so beat the snot out of it.
George, the part number for the Ford cam gear wrench is
5-Z-1832, they didn't use a punch and chisel.

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Old 12-18-2014, 08:38 AM   #242
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Trying to do things the money way isn't working for you.
They didn't have these tools in the day.
I would get a round heavy duty punch or chisel and a big hammer.
They sell new hex nuts so beat the snot out of it.
Thanks.. It may come to that later...I may have to borriw a hammer from you.
Most mechanics have am assortment of sockets in their tool bag.
You have and assortment of Hammers
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:11 AM   #243
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I do have big hammers and my favorite is a 5lb lead hammer and would use a wrench ??1" maybe.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:28 AM   #244
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Remember the two most important tools in the box: patience and perseverance. Wait until the weekend.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:45 AM   #245
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I do have big hammers and my favorite is a 5lb lead hammer and would use a wrench ??1" maybe.
Funny

My Father's solution to any mechanical problem was to "BELT it"!
Actually it was also his solution to me and my two brothers when we were a problem too.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:25 AM   #246
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I wonder if there is something else going on here? When you stand in front of the car and look at the nut you are turning it counterclockwise? Sorry to ask something that simple but something just doesn't seem right. Can anyone think of anything else that might explain why the nut is not coming off?

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Old 12-18-2014, 11:59 AM   #247
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I wonder if there is something else going on here? When you stand in front of the car and look at the nut you are turning it counterclockwise? Sorry to ask something that simple but something just doesn't seem right. Can anyone think of anything else that might explain why the nut is not coming off?

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Yes, when I stand in front of the car I am turning the nut to the left.
I thought the same thing.....Did they change the direction of the screw for model B engines from the model A engines?
All my model A books state "a right hand screw"
can't find anything about changing the timing gear in my collection of ford service bullitins either.
The area around the nut is not even rusted or anything strange.
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Old 12-18-2014, 03:34 PM   #248
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No, they did not change the direction of the threads on the nut. A left-hand thread would be counter-intuitive as a left-hand-threaded nut would tend to loosen in use given the direction of the rotation of the camshaft (there's no lock washer underneath the nut), which is same on all Model A, B, and '33-'34 fours.
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Old 12-18-2014, 04:04 PM   #249
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No, they did not change the direction of the threads on the nut. A left-hand thread would be counter-intuitive as a left-hand-threaded nut would tend to loosen in use given the direction of the rotation of the camshaft (there's no lock washer underneath the nut), which is same on all Model A, B, and '33-'34 fours.
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It is just stuck.
Is it good to just use a steady pressure, and not jerk it?
I don't want to snap the cam....well... what ever happens happens....
I think we will just apply a steady force to the nut until it gives.
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Old 12-18-2014, 04:14 PM   #250
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Impact will definitely be more productive than steady pressure.
Have you tried stuffing a rag between the gears to keep them
from turning??

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Old 12-18-2014, 05:04 PM   #251
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no, but will do it.
would a sharp hit with hammer to the 2 ft breaking bar be good?
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Old 12-18-2014, 05:07 PM   #252
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Finally! Please HIT it.......hard! DD
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Old 12-18-2014, 05:22 PM   #253
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Finally! Please HIT it.......hard! DD
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Alright already,, hit the damn thing hard!!!!
Now you see what happens when a watchmaker becomes and auto mechanic!
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:14 PM   #254
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Not just any hammer, but one with at least a 4-5 pound head of copper or lead.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:20 PM   #255
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Frank...what is the worse that can happen?

I/e if steady pressure breaks something, or an impact gun does...both ways, things are broke.

I assume you don't have the radiator out yet?...Guessing it should be to get the Impact gun in there.

But, you mentioned your wrench "slipping off"...assume you are using the open end of it?

Imperative in high torque areas, the open end stays straight and flush whilst leveraging.

You'll get it...hang in there!
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:53 PM   #256
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Mike B raises a good point. I'm assuming that you are using a socket and breaking bar on the special tool for the nut that you bought. Anything else would be prone to slipping off.

Do not worry about breaking the camshaft as it is forged steel.
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Old 12-19-2014, 01:18 AM   #257
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Impact will definitely be more productive than steady pressure.
Have you tried stuffing a rag between the gears to keep them
from turning??

Bob

Wedge a piece of bar stock between the gears, breaker bar with a cheater, and maybe heat up the bolt with a propane torce. Lately I'v been taking my 46 parts car apart with a wrench in one hand and a torch in the other, works good.
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Old 12-19-2014, 01:27 AM   #258
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Just have someone from your local car club come over with a portable air compressor and an a Impact wrench, and it's off.
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Old 12-19-2014, 10:28 AM   #259
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Got it off!!!
bonded the wrench to the nut with locktite
This morning used breaker bar with 6 foot pipe
Head the crack..... Nut came off clean.
Just have to dissolve loctite from wrench or replace the nut.
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Old 12-19-2014, 10:39 AM   #260
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Although I have no experience with bangers, I have been following this thread with interest. I admire your persistence, and congratulations on getting it apart.
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