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Old 09-11-2014, 04:12 PM   #121
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Right on! Let the man who knows how to build the engine get the best bearings that he can find for the job. Why nickel and dime this and possibly have something go wrong again. Same thing with the oil pump. Let him get a quality (USA made if possible) oil pump and test it before it goes in the engine. JMO
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:32 PM   #122
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There's gotta be an explanation for all the material in the pan. Does the volume in the pan approximate what is missing from the bearings ? If not, keep looking. JMHO
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Old 09-11-2014, 05:09 PM   #123
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I agree on having the builder source the parts. That should something happen he cannot tell you that there is no warranty as he did not get the parts. had that happen when building this house. I was going to buy the plumbing fixtures & the plumber told me he could not warranty them. Sure enough he dropped the double cast iron porcelain sink & chipped it. He had to purchase a new one & it was not very cheap.
You might also to ask your builder if those rods need reconditioned.
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Old 09-11-2014, 05:41 PM   #124
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Could be just the angle and the lighting, but those bores sure do look shiney/smooth. Did the last "rebuilder" hone the cylinders the last time around? Sure do hope the proper rod caps end-up back on their respective rods. Pictures sure make one wonder if he knew anything about setting-up floating bearings. DD

Those aren't the cyl walls the piston is down the hole just looks like cyl walls its the piston skirt.

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Old 09-11-2014, 06:37 PM   #125
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Those aren't the cyl walls the piston is down the hole just looks like cyl walls its the piston skirt.

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To me it looks like the bottom of the skirts are about 2" up
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Old 09-11-2014, 07:06 PM   #126
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Look again the left hand piston is up the hole about 3/8"The Rh piston is flush with the bottom of the bore.

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Old 09-11-2014, 07:47 PM   #127
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Might be a mirror reflection in the polished cylinder wall? Look where the end of the rod is, seems up a long way for the piston to be at the bottom of a stroke, but may just be the camera angle.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:14 PM   #128
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It's difficult to tell exactly what we are seeing of the pistons from the bottom of the cylinders. As I look at the bottom of those pistons, it appears to me that pieces of the skirts are broken off. It also looks like some reflections are confusing the picture.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:38 PM   #129
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I agree on having the builder source the parts. That should something happen he cannot tell you that there is no warranty as he did not get the parts. had that happen when building this house. I was going to buy the plumbing fixtures & the plumber told me he could not warranty them. Sure enough he dropped the double cast iron porcelain sink & chipped it. He had to purchase a new one & it was not very cheap.
You might also to ask your builder if those rods need reconditioned.
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I agree with the others, let the builder get the parts.

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Right on! Let the man who knows how to build the engine get the best bearings that he can find for the job. Why nickel and dime this and possibly have something go wrong again. Same thing with the oil pump. Let him get a quality (USA made if possible) oil pump and test it before it goes in the engine. JMO
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Henry, I would let the rebuilder get all the parts, if you carry them in there is no way he can guarantee them. Good luck, Gary
Agreed. I'll let him get the parts. I know he's already had discussions with VanPelt.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:41 PM   #130
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It's difficult to tell exactly what we are seeing of the pistons from the bottom of the cylinders. As I look at the bottom of those pistons, it appears to me that pieces of the skirts are broken off. It also looks like some reflections are confusing the picture.
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Might be a mirror reflection in the polished cylinder wall? Look where the end of the rod is, seems up a long way for the piston to be at the bottom of a stroke, but may just be the camera angle.
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Look again the left hand piston is up the hole about 3/8"The Rh piston is flush with the bottom of the bore.

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To me it looks like the bottom of the skirts are about 2" up
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Those aren't the cyl walls the piston is down the hole just looks like cyl walls its the piston skirt.

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Could be just the angle and the lighting, but those bores sure do look shiney/smooth. Did the last "rebuilder" hone the cylinders the last time around? Sure do hope the proper rod caps end-up back on their respective rods. Pictures sure make one wonder if he knew anything about setting-up floating bearings. DD
The flash on the camera reflecting on the cylinder walls really is confusing.
The pistons are well down in the cylinders as is indicated by how far in the connecting rods are.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:44 PM   #131
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There's gotta be an explanation for all the material in the pan. Does the volume in the pan approximate what is missing from the bearings ? If not, keep looking. JMHO
The volume of the material in the oil pan far exceeds what could have come off of the busted up bearing. I expect the full tear down may well reveal something else gone pretty bad.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:52 PM   #132
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I'm betting the pan material is bearing material and nothing else. It can look like a lot in thin sheets. Unless it's partly steel, that's about all it could be. You have the main bearing to look at, with that much stuff in the oil passages it most likely damaged the main bearings also.
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I played with the pic a bit and this seems to show the piston location better
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:03 PM   #134
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Those cylinders walls are strange, don't think I've ever seen walls that polished, look like mirrors.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:18 PM   #135
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You can only see 1/4" of wall on the left piston and none on the right
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:47 AM   #136
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I'm not sure what the big interest is in figuring out how far down the cylinder those pistons are but here's the bigger picture that was cropped to that one that shows the other cylinders and how far down the pistons were. The ones seen in the cylinders were also that far in, that is, way in.

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Old 09-12-2014, 08:54 AM   #137
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Aside from the devastating bearing carnage is the rest of the engine ok? Were any of the rods harmed? Did the block sustain any damage?
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:58 AM   #138
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Don't know of any other damage, yet.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:01 AM   #139
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I'd like to recommend a full flow oil system on the next rebuild, like the early Canadian engines. I do that to all my engines. Kinda keeps the chunks out of the bearings.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:20 AM   #140
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Really happy to see that Craig's engine is being handled properly, and locally. My only intention/offer was to show up and install an already running (on a stand) '47 motor I almost purchased for myself recently. From the start I insisted "Old Henry's" motor needed to be seen by a machinist or go to a shop, not any more tinkers or hobby builders like myself! First thing I asked was about the EV8 club in his neck o' the woods- I just couldn't fathom that no one in his area was able to help -hooray early v8 club! I was about to start one heck of a rescue thread though, if I made a road trip out there with an engine, and a hoist and pulled the swap. Good luck, god speed and keep those trip photos coming! -Chris
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