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Old 01-24-2018, 10:21 AM   #21
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I've found that adding a capful or so of the anti-foaming liquid you can get where you rent carpet cleaning machines cuts down on coolant foaming. It's the foam that used to blow out my radiator cap.
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Old 01-24-2018, 12:39 PM   #22
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Put on a stock cap & see what happens. "Some" radiator gimmicks are more trouble than they're worth!!!---Why risk ruining an engine, just for LOOKS???
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I agree with Bill !!! I found an original cap for my roadster . I think that the original style caps look better . In my opinion the only thing that the locking caps are good for is to ruin the radiator neck and to leak . I had l;ots of problems with the thermo quail that I used on the coupe , my daughter liked it so I finally gave it to her . On the other hand if the radiator neck is damaged you may still have leaks . Even an original cap needs a good tight seal .

Every model A that I've ever owned would spray water out around the cap on a hard uphill pull under full throttle, Its a common trait of the model A . It can even happen on level ground under hard accelleration . Cutting down the impeller and getting a good seal at the radiator cap always solved the problem for me . An old partially plugged radiator or a new radiator with smaller or less tubes just can't handle the pressure that the water pump puts out . I guess that a cut down impeller could be called a band aid but if it solves the problem , so be it !!! If it wasn't common why would Snyders offer a cut down impeller . If the radiator can't handle the flow , the water has got to go somewhere . I can understand how a person would be reluctant to modify an expensive new leak proof pump . I'm not trying to tell anybody what they have to do . This has just been my experience .
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I've found those MotoMeters are not at all accurate. It is true that over filling will cause coolant to come out. I always fill to cover the tubes and let the thing seek it's own level.
Are you running a thermostat? If so, it could be faulty. If not, a thermostat will close down the size of the hose and help control the flow of coolant. !60 degree 'stat for your location.
There is the possibility that rust chunks have washed into the radiator and blocked some of the tubes. Always a problem with all flathead Fords. Try back flushing the radiator. Never run plain water in these things.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:56 PM   #24
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As others have suggested, ck the gaskets..................Been There Done That.
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I agree with Bill !!! I found an original cap for my roadster . I think that the original style caps look better . In my opinion the only thing that the locking caps are good for is to ruin the radiator neck and to leak . I had l;ots of problems with the thermo quail that I used on the coupe , my daughter liked it so I finally gave it to her . On the other hand if the radiator neck is damaged you may still have leaks . Even an original cap needs a good tight seal .

Every model A that I've ever owned would spray water out around the cap on a hard uphill pull under full throttle, Its a common trait of the model A . It can even happen on level ground under hard accelleration . Cutting down the impeller and getting a good seal at the radiator cap always solved the problem for me . An old partially plugged radiator or a new radiator with smaller or less tubes just can't handle the pressure that the water pump puts out . I guess that a cut down impeller could be called a band aid but if it solves the problem , so be it !!! If it wasn't common why would Snyders offer a cut down impeller . If the radiator can't handle the flow , the water has got to go somewhere . I can understand how a person would be reluctant to modify an expensive new leak proof pump . I'm not trying to tell anybody what they have to do . This has just been my experience .
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Those are both great ideas. My problem is getting the cap off. I think the Allen screw is stripped and it's so small it's going to be a pain taking it out.

I was thinking about cutting down the impeller but was worried that it would be unbalanced. I guess the vanes are too small to cause a problem even if they are unbalanced a little bit.

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David , The nuts under the allen head screws could be turning , preventing the screws from backing out . You may have to drill out the screws if all else fails . I have had good luck grinding the tips of the impeller without getting things noticably out of balance . You could use the cut doen impeller that Snyders sells . The cut down impeller is on page A-140 of the Snyders catalog , part # A-8501-iM Price $8.50
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I agree with Bill !!! I found an original cap for my roadster . I think that the original style caps look better . In my opinion the only thing that the locking caps are good for is to ruin the radiator neck and to leak . I had l;ots of problems with the thermo quail that I used on the coupe , my daughter liked it so I finally gave it to her . On the other hand if the radiator neck is damaged you may still have leaks . Even an original cap needs a good tight seal .

Every model A that I've ever owned would spray water out around the cap on a hard uphill pull under full throttle, Its a common trait of the model A . It can even happen on level ground under hard accelleration . Cutting down the impeller and getting a good seal at the radiator cap always solved the problem for me . An old partially plugged radiator or a new radiator with smaller or less tubes just can't handle the pressure that the water pump puts out . I guess that a cut down impeller could be called a band aid but if it solves the problem , so be it !!! If it wasn't common why would Snyders offer a cut down impeller . If the radiator can't handle the flow , the water has got to go somewhere . I can understand how a person would be reluctant to modify an expensive new leak proof pump . I'm not trying to tell anybody what they have to do . This has just been my experience .
Purdy,

Those are both great ideas. My problem is getting the locking cap off. I think the Allen screw is stripped and it's so small it's going to be a pain taking it out.

I was thinking about cutting down the impeller but was worried that it would be unbalanced. I guess the vanes are too small to cause a problem even if they are unbalanced a little bit.

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Oops I double posted.

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Thanks for the advice. I might just buy the one from Snyder's.

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The water pump cannot pump more coolant out to the top tank than it pulls from the bottom of the radiator. Go to youtube and search: ford model a cooling system explained jack bahm
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I haven’t tried to prove it, but I think it can. It’s siphening the water in the block.
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Purdy,

Those are both great ideas. My problem is getting the locking cap off. I think the Allen screw is stripped and it's so small it's going to be a pain taking it out.

I was thinking about cutting down the impeller but was worried that it would be unbalanced. I guess the vanes are too small to cause a problem even if they are unbalanced a little bit.

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"Maybe" it's time to gently warm the neck, pop it OFF, remove the shell & solder on a NEW Filler Neck, available through the suppliers.---It can be easily done, IN THE CAR, with an inexpensive Propane Torch.
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"Maybe" it's time to gently warm the neck, pop it OFF, remove the shell & solder on a NEW Filler Neck, available through the suppliers.---It can be easily done, IN THE CAR, with an inexpensive Propane Torch.
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Its real easy to get the neck just a little off center . If the neck is a little off center it can cause the cap to rub the radiator shell and be difficult to get off and on . In worse cases, if it is more than a little off center the radiator shell won't fit over the neck, its happened to me. It can be a real PAIN to correct !!!
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The water pump cannot pump more coolant out to the top tank than it pulls from the bottom of the radiator. Go to youtube and search: ford model a cooling system explained jack bahm
Not for the sake of disagreement , I figure the pump can pull as much coolant as it can push. As the pump pushes coolant out arround the cap and out the over flow tube the coolant level drops . Just my thought . I won't try to prove anything .
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Nobody's just trying to be "RIGHT", just trying to HELP!
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Right on bro , I'm not the best at soldering radiators !!! an experienced radiator man would have no problem .
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Right on bro , I'm not the best at soldering radiators !!! an experienced radiator man would have no problem .
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The water pump cannot pump more coolant out to the top tank than it pulls from the bottom of the radiator. Go to youtube and search: ford model a cooling system explained jack bahm

Imagine an engine running a little hot, say 185. Maybe there's a hot spot in a little shielded corner running 200 degrees. You punch the gas and the pump spins up. The flow makes the pressure highest at the exit of the pump and lowest at the entrance to the pump and in-between pressure in between. All you need is for the pressure to drop in the block by enough to boil 200 degree water and you'll pull a steam bubble in the block. Then the top tank will fill by the same size as the steam bubble. Too much , and it overflows. So yes, the pump can push more out than it draws from the radiator. It draws from the block.
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Yo' David,
"Maybe" it's time to gently warm the neck, pop it OFF, remove the shell & solder on a NEW Filler Neck, available through the suppliers.---It can be easily done, IN THE CAR, with an inexpensive Propane Torch.
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Bill,

I'm tempted to try but I'm really a rookie. If my father-in-law was still alive I'm sure he could have done it. He grew up on a farm in Hanford in the 1930's and he would tackle anything mechanical just to see if he could do it.

In WW II, the Army put him in the Civil Engineering Corps building bridges in France after D-day. He was stationed in England first, and he said the pub keepers would get mad at the GIs because they would come in and drink all the beer. Beer was rationed and the pubs were only allowed a couple kegs and they had nothing left to sell to the locals. The locals generally nursed a pint all night.

The Early Ford Store recommended a Radiator shop in the San Gabriel Valley that still works on old radiators. Most radiator shops today just want to replace the plastic or aluminum radiators with new ones. Even I can do that.

Thanks guys,

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Simon, good analysis. The steam bubble is the key. Without a bubble, the pump output is controlled by the radiator outlet.
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Simon, good analysis. The steam bubble is the key. Without a bubble, the pump output is controlled by the radiator outlet.
Good point, makes cleaning out rust/gunk behind cyl #4 even more important. But in this particular posters case he says he has a recored radiator and rebuilt engine - i would hope whoever rebuilt the engine dunked and cleaned inside the waterjacket.

This is where one of those thermal cameras would be great to use to detect hot spots in both block and radiator.
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