The Ford Barn

billybronco1 · 12-06-2012, 07:00 PM

Are there any things that stand out different between a 1928 & 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan - I'm not sure if my car is made from pieces of each and who knows what else. Vin on engine is 1928 I do not know what is on the chassis. Did Briggs mount a vin on the firewall of there body's? Is there any way to see the chassis vin without removing the body? What sudel difference could I look for to determine if it one or the other - thanks

John LaVoy · 12-06-2012, 07:22 PM

Briggs put their body tag on the inside in front of the seat. Many times it is missing because it was nailed to the wooden cross piece. There is no way to see the chassis vin with out removing the body.

Rowdy · 12-06-2012, 07:50 PM

The 60-A in 1928 had a brown ro of and the 1929 60-B had a black roof. I know the end of 60-A and the beginning of the 60-B did not exactly corrospond with the change of the year. Rod

Terry, NJ · 12-06-2012, 08:27 PM

I would not unscrew another bolt till I had it titled in my name. I don't know how Mass. is , but some states are notoriously difficult. I'm assuming that you don't have a title for the car? Is that right? Get it titled ASAP!
Terry

billybronco1 · 12-06-2012, 09:29 PM

Yes, I have a copy of the title it calls the car 1929 but the engine vin (A43033) is found in the chart as March 1928. I know the engine could be a replacement but wondered if there where any other things to look for that would confirm the rest of the car was a 1928 or 1929 other than pulling the body to see the chassis vin

Tom Wesenberg · 12-06-2012, 10:32 PM

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

The brake system and clutch, if they weren't changed are good indicators. Split brake shaft until November 1928 and multiplate clutch until November 1928. Also the A used a solid front motor mount until November 1928.

Roadster62 · 12-06-2012, 10:58 PM

The early 1928's had a cowl vent door on one side, the only differance that I know of other than top material. Bob

Tudortomnz · 12-06-2012, 11:44 PM

Not specific to Briggs Fabric fordors, but having either a red or black steering wheel, single bulb or Twolight headlamps, body mounted or fender mounted tailamp bracket & whether the front engine mount is bolted to crossmember or to a spring yoke, all can point to the car being made in 1928 or '29. These are some obvious differences & many earlier features got changed to later ones if bits wore out or were damaged.

JC60B · 12-07-2012, 02:25 AM

My 60B is stamped on the firewall with the build date (Feb13, '29). I also have a 60A body for parts and it's stamped Dec, '28 (Can't recall the exact date). The only body differences seem to be the top color, brown for the '28 and black for the '29. But one is late '28 and one is early '29. Is the build date stamping only done on Canadian cars?

CHuDWah · 12-07-2012, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybronco1

Yes, I have a copy of the title it calls the car 1929 but the engine vin (A43033) is found in the chart as March 1928. I know the engine could be a replacement but wondered if there where any other things to look for that would confirm the rest of the car was a 1928 or 1929 other than pulling the body to see the chassis vin

It was fairly common practice "back in the day" to date the title as the year the car was sold rather than the year it was manufactured - so a 28 might be titled as a 29. Although in this case, that would have meant the car wasn't sold for at least 9 months - seems like a long time for it to sit around. I'm guessing the engine was replaced.

Tom Wesenberg · 12-07-2012, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC60B

My 60B is stamped on the firewall with the build date (Feb13, '29). I also have a 60A body for parts and it's stamped Dec, '28 (Can't recall the exact date). The only body differences seem to be the top color, brown for the '28 and black for the '29. But one is late '28 and one is early '29. Is the build date stamping only done on Canadian cars?

Gas tanks were dated from early 28 until late 29. No one is sure, but it's thought to be the date that the tank was built and tested, rather than the date the car was assembled.

My 2-23-29 Tudor has drum taillamp but has the new 2 tooth steering box, which was just introduced in February 1929.

1931 flamingo · 12-07-2012, 03:37 PM

As #10 says would be my guess.

Paul in CT

Lightman7 · 04-03-2023, 04:08 PM

Also, 28 and 29 interiors are different. You can go over to Classtique's website to see the differences.

ModelA29 · 04-06-2023, 12:20 PM

The number on the chassis will only confirm the approximate date the engine was installed in that chassis (generally a within a couple weeks for a Dearborn car to a couple months for one made at one of the assembly plants). Since there are no records you can't tell if the body that is attached to it now is the one it was born with.

12-06-2012, 07:22 PM	#2
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan Briggs put their body tag on the inside in front of the seat. Many times it is missing because it was nailed to the wooden cross piece. There is no way to see the chassis vin with out removing the body.

12-06-2012, 07:50 PM	#3
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan The 60-A in 1928 had a brown ro of and the 1929 60-B had a black roof. I know the end of 60-A and the beginning of the 60-B did not exactly corrospond with the change of the year. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

12-06-2012, 08:27 PM	#4
Terry, NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks Co, Pa Posts: 3,740	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan I would not unscrew another bolt till I had it titled in my name. I don't know how Mass. is , but some states are notoriously difficult. I'm assuming that you don't have a title for the car? Is that right? Get it titled ASAP! Terry

12-06-2012, 09:29 PM	#5
billybronco1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: MA Posts: 570	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan Yes, I have a copy of the title it calls the car 1929 but the engine vin (A43033) is found in the chart as March 1928. I know the engine could be a replacement but wondered if there where any other things to look for that would confirm the rest of the car was a 1928 or 1929 other than pulling the body to see the chassis vin

12-06-2012, 10:32 PM	#6
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The brake system and clutch, if they weren't changed are good indicators. Split brake shaft until November 1928 and multiplate clutch until November 1928. Also the A used a solid front motor mount until November 1928.

12-06-2012, 07:00 PM	#1
billybronco1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: MA Posts: 570	Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan Are there any things that stand out different between a 1928 & 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan - I'm not sure if my car is made from pieces of each and who knows what else. Vin on engine is 1928 I do not know what is on the chassis. Did Briggs mount a vin on the firewall of there body's? Is there any way to see the chassis vin without removing the body? What sudel difference could I look for to determine if it one or the other - thanks

12-06-2012, 10:58 PM	#7
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,441	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan The early 1928's had a cowl vent door on one side, the only differance that I know of other than top material. Bob __________________ They don't have to run to be enjoyed. I'm here to enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the cars no matter what they look like. Most of the worlds problems are electrical.

12-06-2012, 11:44 PM	#8
Tudortomnz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canterbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,242	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan Not specific to Briggs Fabric fordors, but having either a red or black steering wheel, single bulb or Twolight headlamps, body mounted or fender mounted tailamp bracket & whether the front engine mount is bolted to crossmember or to a spring yoke, all can point to the car being made in 1928 or '29. These are some obvious differences & many earlier features got changed to later ones if bits wore out or were damaged.

12-07-2012, 02:25 AM	#9
JC60B Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada Posts: 85	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan My 60B is stamped on the firewall with the build date (Feb13, '29). I also have a 60A body for parts and it's stamped Dec, '28 (Can't recall the exact date). The only body differences seem to be the top color, brown for the '28 and black for the '29. But one is late '28 and one is early '29. Is the build date stamping only done on Canadian cars?

12-07-2012, 03:37 PM	#12
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan As #10 says would be my guess. Paul in CT

04-03-2023, 04:08 PM	#13
Lightman7 Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 38	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan Also, 28 and 29 interiors are different. You can go over to Classtique's website to see the differences.

04-06-2023, 12:20 PM	#14
ModelA29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: SoCal Posts: 588	Re: Noticeable differences between a 1928 - 1929 Fordor Briggs sedan The number on the chassis will only confirm the approximate date the engine was installed in that chassis (generally a within a couple weeks for a Dearborn car to a couple months for one made at one of the assembly plants). Since there are no records you can't tell if the body that is attached to it now is the one it was born with.