33 vs 34

[itsa52]

I never have been able to tell a 33 from a 34,, So help me out.. What are the differences.. Pictures if you can please..

Thanks ahead..

[Old Redneck]

Easy 33 has one hood handle on each side and 34 has 2 on each side.

[itsa52]

Well that's one.. What if the hood sides are off?

[Tom/SC]

The 33 grille is more "flattened " in the middle. The 34 grille is more "peaked" in the middle straight down the front. If it had the hood sides on it, the 33 louvers in the hood are curved slightly while the 34 louvers are straight. There is a difference in headlight diameter, I think the 33s are larger diameter. I hope this helps! Tom

[Uncle Bob]

Additional commentary on the grille. The outer rim on the '33 is thinner, some would say more graceful, and the bottom of the grille curves forward in side view. Also the vertical bars are thinner looking.

On the doors there is a stamped portion on the rear vertical end of the window opening (roughly an inch in width at it's center) on the '34 (to accommodate the glass movement for the venting feature).

The gauge cluster on the dash is a debossed stamping on the '34, on the '33 it's an insert with a stainless trim ring.

There's more but I'll leave something for others to point out.

[Fordors]

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'34 coupe and sedan doors have an extra sheet metal fold at the rear of the window opening. The '34 windows will crank back a bit (maybe 3/4 inch?) for ventilation before they lower. The extra flap is to seal the window opening when the window is fully raised. Doors will interchange from year to year, so then one needs to look at other details mentioned before.
'33 dash also has engine turned gauge panel that is removable, while a '34 gauge panel is integral with the dashboard. Firewall has differences for hood latching on '34 and '34 also has a notch to hold the hood when it is open. I'm not sure about the headlamp diameter, but the '33 is more pointed to the rear, '34 is a bit more rounded and the cowl lights have the same touches as well. '33 Frame at front cross member has fewer rivets to hold it in, the '34 was beefed up in that area. Plenty more other detail differences I have not mentioned, Ford styling/engineering was in much transition in that era.

[Dave Mc]

Black 33...................................Maroon 34

[Fordors]

Wow, the '33 Victoria pictured is a very early production example. When first designed the '33 front and rear fenders were not skirted on the sides as shown above. For some reason most of the early skirtless '33's seem to have been assembled in the NW area of the country. Kinda like they never got the memo or something.

[millersgarage]

The hood vents are curved on a 33, and straight on a 34. If the hood is off, then you need to go by the grille.

the 33 is more petite looking, due to the thinner edge, and has a curve top to bottom that would match the hood sides.

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the 34 is heavier looking, and the bars are straight top to bottom.

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[Lawrie]

34 has a notch on the firewall to sit the hood on when open,the 33 has not.
inside door handles in different places.33 has door pull on the inside door.
Lawrie

[itsa52]

Millersgarage picture shows the headlight issue too. The 34's are much larger.. How about the horns?? Optional or year specific?

[Fordors]

Originally Posted by itsa52

Millersgarage picture shows the headlight issue too. The 34's are much larger.. How about the horns?? Optional or year specific?

Are you referring to the length of the h/l bucket? A believe the headlamp door, lens, and reflector is interchangeable between years.

[1934]

I think the head light buckets are larger on the '33. Not the lens diameter but the depth of the bucket.

[Dave Mc]

Over 70 differences between 33-34's have been noted,someone wrote a book about that

[mfagan]

Also, top of hood wraps over the grill and has
a reveal stamped around the edge if the
front. Cowl lamps are also deeper on the 1933.

[columbiA]

Headlamp buckets are longer on the 33,as are the cowl lamp buckets.The 34 front C-member is stronger than the 33 as it is wider where it rivets to the frame with an extra rivet.

[Brian]

hubcaps differ too....

[Robert/Texas]

The cowl vent on the '34 (at least the later ones) has a screen. The earlier ones do not. The bumpers on both years look alike but the spacing between the bolt holes is different.

[Kirk Hanning]

On a 33' the wheel wells are smooth while the 34' has crows feet embossed in them, although I have heard there are slight year/model variations.

[Ed Solari]

A clarification...the claw feet pattern in the wheel well for 33 versus 34....I know this is not true for roadster which are ALL flat.

Also on the rear floor panel with the hole for the differential there is a set of ribs front to back. On 33 they are more like half round with a couple of V bars attached underneath the floor. In 34 the ribs where made into a much deeper V and thus the need for the V bars was removed and thus not installed.

Also, the strut to support the panel between the rear panels forward of the truck/rumble lid is attached to the floor on 34 roadster and welded to the side of the wheel weld on the 33 .... thus the 33 is a shorter strut...ONLY for the roadster

[David J]

I'm staying outta this BUT if the EV8club's 33-34 book didn't catch all the differences are you planning on catching them all here ? Then you may as well unravel the early 33 , mid 33 , late 33 , early 34 , mid 34 , late 34 differences etc . Not badmouthing the effort but this is not a simple question if you want to PROPERLY answer it . Post 22 is right and as you can see the floorpan isn't even the same . Also 34 cabriolets do NOT have crows feet either .

[larry/Texas]

I have a '33 Tudor with a serial number indicating it is an April '33 car. It has the crow feet embossed rear wheel wells. I purchased from 2nd owner in 1960 and there is no indication of them being replaced.

[Fordors]

Originally Posted by David J

I'm staying outta this BUT if the EV8club's 33-34 book didn't catch all the differences are you planning on catching them all here ? Then you may as well unravel the early 33 , mid 33 , late 33 , early 34 , mid 34 , late 34 differences etc . Not badmouthing the effort but this is not a simple question if you want to PROPERLY answer it . Post 22 is right and as you can see the floorpan isn't even the same . Also 34 cabriolets do NOT have crows feet either .

In my case, as well as some of the others who posted, I tried to point out some of the easy spotting features that differentiate a '33 from a '34. The OP asked for nothing more than that.

[David J]

I guess the " Not badmouthing the effort " wasn't clear enough .

Originally Posted by Fordors

In my case, as well as some of the other who posted, I tried to point out some of the easy spotting features that differentiate a '33 from a '34. The OP asked for nothing more than that.

[Dave Mc]

Anyone know the Title and Author of the Book on the Differences between 33 & 34's ????

[TonyM]

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Here it is: Don't know who the author(s) are. This book is next on my list.



http://www.earlyfordv8.org/store-pro...fm?id=17&pid=2

[Dave Mc]

Originally Posted by TonyM

Here it is: Don't know who the author(s) are. This book is next on my list.



http://www.earlyfordv8.org/store-pro...fm?id=17&pid=2

Thank you TonyM, a guy I know bought 2 Vicky's a 33 & a 34 in pieces, He thinks the guy cuttem up to sell pieces? anyway he was picking my brain for identification of all the parts,This book will give him the needed info...D.Mc

[David J]

The best one I'm aware of is the one by the EV8 club described in TonyM's post . Cliff Helling is the author . I sometimes criticize it as it doesn't cover all the differences BUT it covers MANY and again it is the best I'm aware of . Some on here make mention of an article in the V-8 times in the past ? on this subject . Pretty sure that is where the " 75 " or whatever differences comes from . I don't have access to that info but many here are involved with the EV-8 club or have old issues of the " V-8 TIMES " so that shouldn't be an issue . The " Early Ford V-8 as Henry built it " has some good info also . DeAngelis is the author of that one . Good book but it is a 32-38 book so it has many distractions !!

Originally Posted by Dave Mc

Anyone know the Title and Author of the Book on the Differences between 33 & 34's ????

[Dave Mc]

When I Built my 33 in the early 1980's I had Done a couple 34's and used Stainless parts on all Door Latch parts and Dovetails ,knowing I was going to be building my 33 I saved extra pieces for my own car,but when I went to use the leftover Dovetails on my 33 I was surprised to find the Locater is off center in relation to the 2 attaching screws,so I had to make new pieces for the 33,see photos

[fourfords]

The headlight and cowl light buckets on the '33 are a bit deeper than the '34. The '33 radiator grille has a gentle sweep while the '34 stands proud. the side vents on the '33 have a slight curve while the '34's are straight. the hoods are not interchangable due to the thickness of the '34 grille, and lack thereof on the '33. The '33 has one hood release handle on each side while the '34's have two. The '33 has an "Engine turned" dash instrument panel. This is just a start. There are many subtle differences. The 1933-34 restoratiion book is awesome on these differences.

[thirt4]

On the bottom outside of the cowl, the 34 has a hole for the second hood latch and of course, with only one hood latch per side, the 33 does not have this hole. Also, if they have their stock engines, the 33 should have the Detroit Lubricator carb and the 34 will have the Stromberg 97.
The 33 had 16 inch wheels and the 34 had 17 inch wheels.
Next Barner's turn....

[Barn Junk]

Bumpers are different, on 1933s the spacing of the inner attaching bolts is 22 inches while on 1934s the spacing is 26 inches. All 33 and 34s had the same 17 wheels.

[Lawson Cox]

Originally Posted by thirt4

On the bottom outside of the cowl, the 34 has a hole for the second hood latch and of course, with only one hood latch per side, the 33 does not have this hole. Also, if they have their stock engines, the 33 should have the Detroit Lubricator carb and the 34 will have the Stromberg 97.
The 33 had 16 inch wheels and the 34 had 17 inch wheels.
Next Barner's turn....

I thought the 34 was equipped with a Stromberg 40 carb, 35 with a 48 and 36 with a 48 on the earlier modles and the 67 (a/k/a 97) on the later models. What say you?

[flatheadute1934]

1933 had 17 inch wheels same as 1934. 1934 ran a 48 stromberg with out a 48 stamped on it.

[mfrk]

About the Headlights I think they are both (In fact I think the 32-33-34 lenses will all interchange??) the same diameter but the 34s are shorter in length because of the front hood handle (Hitting)