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Old 08-17-2021, 07:00 PM   #381
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I got to meet Chris and his wife yesterday. What a fine gentleman he is!
Me too, he's a heck of a good dude now isn't he! Glad you guys met up - kind of makes this whole hobby worth it to meet some of the people you get to know on the Barn.
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Old 08-17-2021, 09:36 PM   #382
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I got to meet Chris and his wife yesterday. What a fine gentleman he is!
Michael,
Sure was nice to meet you and your wife at your shop! I just got the new to me B engine home and unloaded.
A shot of Michael getting the engine ready to load.


Setting it in my truck:


Secured for the trip from Tennessee to Pennsylvania:


Unloading the engine in the shop tonight:


An in depth evaluation will begin on this engine in the next few days. The plans:
1. Understand the status and the wear of this engine.
2. Evaluate this engine to see if it could be run as it is?
3. Or use the best components from the two engines I now have to begin a rebuild engine project.


My biggest mistake was not getting a tour of the shop while there! I have no idea where my head was at! Cheryl got a peak at some of Michael's cars and was impressed!

Thanks so much for accommodating us on very short notice. I am sure we will be talking.
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Me too, he's a heck of a good dude now isn't he! Glad you guys met up - kind of makes this whole hobby worth it to meet some of the people you get to know on the Barn.
Dale,
I had a great time with you at your shop viewing all your projects and awesome cars! The 32, three window with the flames is just amazing! And looking forward to maybe folowing your build on your 34 too!

The lights that we now both have should compliment both our vehicles. Thank you!

As you have suggested I will be looking at some newer internal lights for these very nice 32 Commercial lights for my truck project. I believe these will be one of the crowning jewels to bring this truck back to near original condition.






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Get anything done over the weekend?
Bruce
Bruce,
Wife and I traveled to Columbus Ohio for 32 headlights lights and to Tennessee for a B engine. Just got home and checking in on the Ford Barn. How are things on the left coast? Weren't you the one asking me about insulation in the shop??

We also stopped at our daughters for a couple days and had a nice lunch at the OpryLand Hotel in the Cascades area! Just wonderful!
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Engine # 2 evaluation is in full swing. As with any used item there are some issues.
I believe this is the same crank in my engine #1.
Minor set back on a broken bolt in the engine block where the intermediate bell/ starter housing. This was drilled and re-tapped to next size thread.
Next was to get the engine on the stand and remove the oil pan.


Typical sludge in the bottom, under the tray.


The oil pump looks much better than engine #1. Will get this cleaned up.


Main bearing caps removed:


Almost had a oops here as I rotated the engine on the stand and the crank came out of the journals!
Cleaned the tops of the pistons and found .030 stamped on the tops.
Valves look ok.
The babbit is much better than engine #1. There is one spot about the size of a pencil eraser that is missing on the front lower bearing cap.


I need to lift the crank and view the upper babbit material condition also.

Note to self: Must re clock the crank and cam gears!

Timing gears look pretty good:


Cam and lifters seem ok:




Back in the day they may have considered this engine to have additional life, and put this back in service?

So I will continue the disassembly of engine #2 to evaluate the pistons and rod journals then will be open for opinions on the next moves.
One thought is to clean this up re-assemble #2 and put it in the truck to evaluate other systems.
Doing a complete correct updated engine rebuild for the truck is not out of the question. I believe this #2 engine could allow me to have a truck that can move and actually may have some life left in this engine. It is work put it together and back in the truck. Part of that would be the learning process too.
Open to ideas and suggestions!
Thanks for checking in on me! Hope things are good in Ford land.

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Folks,
Currently tapping the second head stud hole for heli-coil inserts 7/16-14. The first one had been heli-coiled before, but the heli-coil was gone. Broken bolt in bottom of second one. Used the engine head as a drill guide to assure the alignment of the hole.
Next will move to the piston removal and inspection.


Had friends stop by and while looking at the engine one noted that #2 cylinder had been sleeved! Humm Sounds familiar!

I did get a glimpse of the babbit in the top bearings and it looks like its in fair condition. Will get some pictures when the crank comes out.
OK where are the timing marks on the crank gear and or cam gear??
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I agree, that is not a counter-balanced crankshaft (unfortunately).
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I agree, that is not a counter-balanced crankshaft (unfortunately).
Thanks, I have seen some pictures of them. I couldn't get a good look before. We continue to learn. All good! They used these cranks for years.
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If it looks like the babbit is "good enough", you might consider a poor mans rebuild - depending on how the bores check out. If they are in decent shape and not too worn, rusted, tapered or in otherwise bad shape, you could hone the cylinders, put new rings in it and then do a valve job on it and probably be in pretty good "runner" shape. Be worth considering - while you spend time on the longer "full rebuild" project. I will say that having a car/truck that is running and driving (while you take your time on a full rebuild) is a pretty good idea. I did this with my 32 Cabriolet - one of the smartest things I did as I was able to enjoy the car while I toiled away on my 2 year engine project. Best of luck!
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Old 08-19-2021, 08:57 PM   #390
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Here's the timing marks.
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Old 08-20-2021, 06:07 AM   #391
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Hey Chris - if you are in a super hurry, I believe a buddy of mine has a counter-balanced B crank - but it is a couple hours away, so you'd have to have some patience. Maybe part of a 'new engine build' over the Winter?
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Thanks, I see the timing mark is just down the tooth a little farther on the crank gear. I have to remove the washer that is next to the gear.
Dale,
Never know, the balanced crank thing might work out also? As far as the poor mans rebuild, someday's its fine with me, other days it has to be spot on. This truck being in its work clothes and not to ever be a daily driver, a pretty good engine might be just the ticket? As mentioned the crusty, moldy look might fit right in also!

Ford Folks,
So the chances this engine #2 could go into the truck are increasing as we progress through the evaluation. I think the numbers were at about 23%last evening!

Pistons will come out soon, bores inspected, rings inspected.
Upper babbited bearing surfaces to be eyeballed more.

Question: So one of the head studs breaks into the water jacket area. This is one that had the helicoil before. Do I need to do any thing special on that stud to keep water from leaking around the stud threads? I just put the stud in dry right now, but could get it back out and apply some sealer. Which probably would be a good idea. I did not put any sealer on the helicoil insert. Its called hindsight!

Today we prepare maple syrup products for the big Crawford County Fair starting tomorrow here in NWPA.

Thanks for checking in on me! Hope your day is good!

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We use anti-seize sealant on all head stud course threads.
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Thanks! I will see what I have for that purpose of sealing the threads.

Folks,
The pistons came out today, Pretty much a non event. The Babbitt bearings look like they have a few more turns in them:


Picked up a hone from NAPA and honed the cylinders to see if they would clean up. Didnt look too bad.






Crank looks to be pretty good. Has a few spots I cleaned up. I think the pulley may be off something else?? It is a stamped type? Need to learn more about that end of the crank. Did find the timing mark on the crank gear.


While resting I made several batches of Maple Candy, Maple Cream and Maple fudge. Next year I hope to have the 32 at the fair also. Maple candy in molds here:


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Hey Chris, you definitely want to use a stud sealer on ALL the studs - at least any that you've taken out. I use a PTFE type sealer (like teflon pipe dope) - it works well. On the sides of the studs I always use anti-seize - to help prevent corrosion as well as make it easier to pull the head later on. The bores didn't look bad in the pics - but I have no idea as to piston-to-cylinder wall clearances, taper, etc.. How do they mic out? If they mic okay, I'd just put a new set of rings in it. Make sure you checkout the valve guides and do a valve job. There is no reason to NOT do the valves/seats when you have it down this far.
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Looks like the crank journals have some rust/pitting . . . what are we seeing? What do they mic too? I can check with my friend and have him drag that crank back home - and we can mic it. But - I can't promise WHEN! LOL
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Chris,

I note that the engine had a '33-'34 front motor mount bracket, which given that it came out of a '33, makes sense. What it also means is that you cannot use that bracket as it won't line up with the insulators on your truck's front cross member as those are 5" further apart than on '32s. It also means that the front timing gear cover from the engine from your truck must also be used as the motor mount brackets have different spacing of their attachment to the timing gear cover.

The '33-'34 crankshaft pulley is also different being shorter front to back so you will need to use the '32 version. As the generator is attached to the front timing gear cover, the crankshaft pulley and front timing gear cover must be a matched pair or the generator pulley will not line up with the crankshaft pulley when you attempt to install the fan belt.
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GREAT looking truck
Good luck with your project
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Dale,
Yea this needs attention in all areas. Just like a 90 year old person. Every where you look there are small issues. Thanks for the offer. It really needs bored over sized .040, valve job, new pistons, etc etc! Humm??
David,
Thanks you had mentioned that timing cover and engine mount issue before, thanks again for reminding me. I will check that out. I did see it was different shape. Bent different.
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Thanks! And like all these it is a PROJECT for sure!
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Permatex 2 is a good sealer for studs then anti-seize above the block. Shop is looking good.
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