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01-20-2011, 06:16 PM | #1 |
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1939 ford steering lock stuck
HI, ON MY 1939 DELUXE I WENT THROUGH THE PROCEDURE AND REMOVED MY KEY CYLINDER AND ALSO MY IGN SWITCH (THE ELECTRICAL SWITCH) BUT I CANT GET THE CYLINDER INSIDE THE COLUMN TO MOVE UP. THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS TO GO CORRECT? i'VE TAPPED WITH A PUNCH AND STILL IT WON'T SLIDE UP. ANY IDEAS? THANKS!
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01-20-2011, 06:25 PM | #2 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
I think the cyclinder has to move to the right first. that will unlock the steering wheel
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01-20-2011, 08:53 PM | #3 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
Steve, I have some information on how to take a '35-'36 steering drop apart and put it back together. Maybe this info would give you some ideas on how to work on your '39. Send me a PM with your email address if you want me to send it to you.
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01-21-2011, 12:30 PM | #4 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
Also, check switch lever position. If OFF, you cannot move the main part of the locking bolt, only the spring loaded tip. Up is indeed the unlock position.
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01-21-2011, 04:20 PM | #5 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
Steve-o- Look on the back on the drop. there is a PIN like the one you tuck out to get the key/cylinder out, that PIN limits the travel of the locking bold up or down,... Is the drop off the column tube?? Its helps if it is, you will find the locking bolt is two piece spring loaded ( in its self ) ...As for the locking bolt it should move about a 1/4 inch total. Soak it with Blaster, Kroil, Acetone/ATF mix, some heat, and tap,tap,tap, but get that pin out, You say you have the switch, off the drop. right? the pin is right there...half covered by the switch box.... OLD...BILL
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01-21-2011, 05:45 PM | #6 |
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01-21-2011, 06:58 PM | #7 |
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Hi old bill,
thank you and everyone for your posts. I wrote my last post before refreshing and seeing your (old bill) post. My drop is still on the column and the column is still on the car. I'm trying to get the steering to turn so i can move the car around. After the handle for the ign switch came off i drove the plunger (from the lock cylinder hole) up to where i can see the smaller plunger but still its locked. Old bill you said its a spring loaded plunger in a plunger. With me seeing the smaller diameter it should be up enough i thought but its not??????? Thanks again! |
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01-21-2011, 09:11 PM | #9 |
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Hi old bill, thanks again. That makes sense. I'll let you know. How does the upper side of this plunger work with it having a center plunger? Other than the lock cyl lifting up the main (large plunger does something line up to let the on/off turn and also lift the center smaller plunger more? Thanks!
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01-22-2011, 09:22 AM | #10 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
I don't understand what this "multi-plunger" talk is about. Their is only one plunger. You said that you have removed the lock cylinder, so if you will look on the back of the cylinder you will see an eccentric. this eccentric moves the "plunger" up and down. If you put a screwdriver or something in the cylinder hole and move the "plunger" up you can unlock it. The switch housing on the back of the drop has nothing to do with moving the plunger.
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01-22-2011, 03:18 PM | #11 |
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Hi old bill & everyone who responed. I got my steering drop loose from the dash and loosened the tube clamp at the steering gear. I found out that my problem is deeper than the lock assembly. The shaft will turn just a little so its not the bearings rusted fast on the steering shaft. Next time i guess i'll drop the drag link but i think its stuck in the gear. I'll let you all know... Thanks again,
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01-24-2011, 03:52 PM | #12 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
On the "multi-plunger" talk...of course there is only one, BUT the lower tip that actually goes into the slot on the steering shaft is spring loaded. This is so that the thing can be turned to "lock" position when the steering is between slots...the spring compresses to take up the needed space for plunger to rest on the land of the collar...then as soon as the steering moves the lock will drop into the first groove that comes up.
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01-25-2011, 08:22 PM | #13 |
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Hi bruce, that makes since. I think i know how it works now. Thanks for your help and everyone else who wrote. Steve
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I know this is an old post but I hope someone can help me. 1937 pickup, I've owned since high school and has been in a barn for 55 years. Trying to get it back on the road. The steering lock will not release. I've tried about every penetrating oil, removed the lock (which still operates), and tried a little hammer/punch. None of this worked and I didn't want to destroy anything. The button (end cap) is flush on the right side and the lock slide (plunger) will not move.
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07-05-2021, 02:33 PM | #15 |
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Move the steering wheel back and forth as you are trying to move the mechanism. Sometimes they get jammed up and moving the steering wheel can release it.
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07-06-2021, 07:59 AM | #16 |
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TJ I've jacked up the front taking wheels off the ground and moved the wheel many times. I just can't get it to move. If you can give me your email, I'll send a photo showing lock position. This has really got me as I want to move the truck and no steering isn't helping.
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07-06-2021, 08:29 AM | #17 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
Normally the toggle in off position you turn the key in the lock cyl (If it is in place and it only goes one way) and the chrome button moves out. That releases the column.
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07-06-2021, 09:22 AM | #18 |
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The chrome button on mine is flush and won't move. I have photos I can send.
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07-06-2021, 09:29 AM | #20 |
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This is my very first attempt at posting a photo so I hope it works. The photo shows the button flush and it will not move. Bill |
07-06-2021, 09:33 AM | #21 |
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TJ sorry I can't private message as they say I'm "new" and haven't posted 10 times. At 75 I'm glad they think I'm new
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To help you see how it functions Here are 2 pics I just took of what the mechanism is like and lock cyl in correct position.The knurled end of the mechanism is where the chrome button is pressed on.The button on opposite end is spring loaded. The first pic is in the locked position and the key can be removed-it is pulled out slightly to show you..The 2nd pic is the unlocked position and key will not come out.You can see by the slot for the lock cyl locates differently. |
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07-06-2021, 09:50 AM | #23 |
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My lock has been removed and the cyl works fine after being removed. I just thought it was bad as it would only turn a few degrees and wouldn't release the steering lock.
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07-06-2021, 10:40 AM | #24 |
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Email your photos to me, and I will post them for you. [email protected]
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07-06-2021, 01:38 PM | #25 |
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Bills lock photo.
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07-06-2021, 03:01 PM | #27 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
Thanks, I have the switch box off the back. Thinking about removing the switch plate on front, but the pins are almost flush and leave no room to grab. Hate to mess it up.
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07-07-2021, 02:23 PM | #28 |
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I never have encountered one as stubborn as yours. The mechanism is seriously stuck.There might be a member here that can post an illustration of the breakdown of the assy.Removing the On- Off plate won't really help.Its held in by those 2 twist in rivets. I use a very small (2.5")vise grip to grab it and turn counter clockwise-they come right out.Sometimes filing a small flat spot on 2 sides is necessary but then the rivet won't look right if reused.
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07-07-2021, 03:24 PM | #29 |
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Thanks, I was working on it again last night and took a photo of the back side. I sent this to JSeery to post as I don't seem to get that to work. From the back side you can see the button and it won't move.
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07-07-2021, 03:48 PM | #30 |
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Nothing showed up, did it get sent to the correct email address?
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07-07-2021, 04:45 PM | #31 |
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I tried sending it again.
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Funny, both emails showed up at the same time! Anyway, here is the photo.
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07-08-2021, 10:09 AM | #33 |
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I suspect the chrome end cap has a lot of corrosion between the cap and the cast iron housing. Have you tried PB Blaster?
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07-08-2021, 10:21 AM | #34 |
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I've tried PB Blaster, even covering the lock so it could soak. Also many other products. It just won't move. I am thinking about removing the column so I can get a better angle to trying whacking on it while on a work bench. The corrosion angle could be it. It isn't in a very good place now to apply heat.
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If there is a significant amount of steel in the assembly, I would consider soaking it in a vat of Evaporust.
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07-08-2021, 11:29 AM | #36 |
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Thanks, I'll try that tonight.
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Since its in the locked position it going to be difficult to remove the column.That spring loaded button in pic of post #22 is engaged in the locking collar .There are 2 screws securing that collar to the steering shaft.
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07-08-2021, 12:35 PM | #38 |
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Re: 1939 ford steering lock stuck
If the steering wheel was off, would the tube have enough slop to pull off? Seems to me the pin sits in a slot with a rolled up edge to prevent it from turning, but not necessarily from sliding up or down. going off memory here, I dont have one apart to look at
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07-08-2021, 01:02 PM | #39 |
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The end cap is what is holding up the assembly from coming loose. The end cap is die cast. At one time someone reproduced the end cap. Search around and if you can find another end cap I would then then drill a series of holes in the cap and slowly chisel and break it out.
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Thanks, if the Evaporust doesn't work, I'll try this before tearing out the column.
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Not sure the Evaporust will do anything unless all of the other chemicals applied are removed.
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07-10-2021, 02:04 PM | #42 |
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Success! Thanks to everyone. I'm sure it was a combination of evaporust , PB Blaster, heat, all together. After the soak in evaporust didn't free by itself I took TJs advice and drilled a couple of holes in the button. Then a little help from my slide hammer and walla it came out and the steering is unlocked.
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At one time Bob Drake sold the lever button kit.Not sure if its available anymore.01A-3676-K is the part number or have one(button) made.
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