CCPU Rear View Mirror

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by wrndln

Rex,
I believe the picture you posted, that I have seen before, was of an early pickup - sometime in 1928. If your pickup had date stamp in mid March 1929, I don't think your pickup would have a visor mounted mirror like in the picture. Your cab without mirror mounting D nuts is a real mystery.
Rusty Nelson

Not a mystery to me. Most 82-A closed cabs that I have seen into March 1929 do not have the D-nuts and therefore would have had the sun visor mirror bracket. I had a March 1929 AA which was like that.

Given the RGJS indicates late 1928 as the startup for the D-nuts, then there was an overlap of bracket usage. The cab of the vehicle determine which bracket was originally used. If it were up to me (which it was not), I would say that early 1929 was when the D-nuts started.

[SeaSlugs]

I see - not bad at all!

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by CarlG

Neil,
Is there a hinge mirror similar to the one Snyder's sells (see link in post #4) with a longer arm?

Ford didn't provide a over-the-hinge mirror bracket for the 82-A. The 82-B (starting June 1930) came with an over-the-hinge mirror bracket. Ford did have longer over-the-hinge brackets for the 82-B. I don't think anyone is making them.

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by wrndln

Rex,
I didn't know Neil made parts (or had them made) for AA and CCPU's. That is nice to know. The mirror bracket is a little pricey but at least it is available. I have never seen the parts in your link to Neil's website in any model A catalog.
Rusty

Pricey is correct. I got 15 of these brackets made out of Sicilian bronze, got them machined, had the swivel balls made, and then had the swivel balls installed. I will not get any more made (a couple left) - folks just don't want to spend the $'s.

I also got the earlier bracket made the same way (see http://sell.aafords.com/aa-parts-for-sale/#82a-mbd1). These were only used for the AA's through February 1928.

These brackets are almost never found at swap meets.

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by CarlG

Neil,
Is there a hinge mirror similar to the one Snyder's sells (see link in post #4) with a longer arm?

Originally Posted by Neil Wilson

...Ford did have longer over-the-hinge brackets for the 82-B. I don't think anyone is making them.

Any idea what length the hinge brackets for the 82-B were/are? I was thinking about having a couple of the shorter ones lengthened.

[Neil Wilson]

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Originally Posted by CarlG

Any idea what length the hinge brackets for the 82-B were/are? I was thinking about having a couple of the shorter ones lengthened.

See attached.

[Rex Perry]

What is the preferred method for removal of the threaded bar that secures the mirror fasteners? I thought that mine was missing but it apparently dropped down when someone removed the sun visor.
I would like to remove this little part and recondition it. My top is off and I have open access to the RH and LH corners. I could remove the horizontal plate riveted to the top of the post but would prefer another method. Suggestions?
Thanks

[Rex Perry]

Normally the nut bar is welded inside the forward door post. If, for some reason, those welds fail the nut bar can drop down the door post behind the window escutcheon. In my particular case, the head of one of the 1/4x20 screws had been twisted off leaving the remainder in the nut bar. With that broken screw remaining in the bar, it was trapped by internal structure and could not slide down behind the escutcheon.

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by Rex Perry

Normally the nut bar is welded inside the forward door post. If, for some reason, those welds fail the nut bar can drop down the door post behind the window escutcheon. In my particular case, the head of one of the 1/4x20 screws had been twisted off leaving the remainder in the nut bar. With that broken screw remaining in the bar, it was trapped by internal structure and could not slide down behind the escutcheon.

The tapping block (i.e. nut bar) was used prior to D-nuts and seem to have frequently broken loose (as in your case). See hinge pillar designs d1, d2, d3 and, d4 at http://aafords.com/aa-body-types/bod...s/mirrors/#pib.

I have made/replaced the tapping block used at the sun visor and also lower on the hinge pillar.

As I recall, I held the tapping block in place with bolts before welding it to the inside of the pillar with a wire feed welder (not an easy place to weld).

[Rex Perry]

Neil,
The procedure that you outline is exactly what I did but I had to compromise on the lower weld as the bottom was not accessible. Poor welds is probably what contributed to so many failures but pushing hard on the screw heads during removal is also a factor.

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by Rex Perry

Neil,
The procedure that you outline is exactly what I did but I had to compromise on the lower weld as the bottom was not accessible. Poor welds is probably what contributed to so many failures but pushing hard on the screw heads during removal is also a factor.

After several years of see hinge pillar holes without threads, I found a tapping block which had broken loose. At that point, the non-threaded holes made since.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Trucks had no inside mirrors as I understand it.

TRIVIA: The first "documented" use of a rear view mirror was on a YELLOW, 1912 Indy 500 race car
Bill Reflection

[1930-Pickup]

Originally Posted by Neil Wilson

Ford didn't provide a over-the-hinge mirror bracket for the 82-A. The 82-B (starting June 1930) came with an over-the-hinge mirror bracket. Ford did have longer over-the-hinge brackets for the 82-B. I don't think anyone is making them.

Is this the bracket for the 82-B? It doesn't say anything about length though.
https://www.modelaparts.com/a17704a

[denis4x4]

Here is my ‘29 with D inserts on both sides.

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by 1930-Pickup

Is this the bracket for the 82-B? It doesn't say anything about length though.

The on-hinge brackets used for the AA's are shown in the photo. For a 1930 A-chassis with an 82-B cab, bracket A-17741-B was used (top image in the photo).

[charlesatto]

Neil Wilson,
What is the center to center measurements of your mirror mounting bracket?

[ndnchf]

This is an old discussion. But I'll throw this in for general interest. My early '31 CCPU has an original drivers side hinge mount mirror. The arm is 5.5" long. I have the original mirror, but replaced it with a new convex mirror for much improved visibility.

[CarlG]

I changed mine out for convex mirrors as well. Bumped them up to 6" as well. Big improvement.

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by charlesatto

Neil Wilson,
What is the center to center measurements of your mirror mounting bracket?

charlesqtto, Sorry, I don't know what mirror bracket you are referring to? The measurements shown in the photo of response #35 above may answer your question.


FYI — I do not have any of the mirror brackets shown in the photo to sell.

[katy]

Originally Posted by CarlG

I changed mine out for convex mirrors as well. Bumped them up to 6" as well. Big improvement.

Ditto