Title Question, 1929 CCPU

[modela4shane]

I recently purchased a 1929 closed cab pickup,its a late November production date. The engine number and the frame number all match the pink slip but the pink and registration show the truck as a 1930. My question is it possible that the truck was sold and titled as a 1930 even though its definitely a 1929. Could this be because its a late 1929 or could the DMV have entered the wrong info on the registration many years ago. Second question, should i get the vehicle inspected and change it to 1929 or just leave well enough alone and let DMV call it a 1930. My insurance company recognizes it as a 1929 CCPU. The truck is with out a question a 1929 CCPU because it has the 1927 T style doors with the big visor. Thanks for any help or thoughts.

[briphaeton]

They use those doors (cab) into the 1930's.

[ronn]

leave your title alone and enjoy the truck.

[SeaSlugs]

Originally Posted by ronn

leave your title alone and enjoy the truck.

agreed - not sure why people like to open crates of cans of worms from the state...

[pj's junkers]

until body style did not change until about mid 1930. Some states licensed as year sold.

[briphaeton]

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aren't the gas caps different from 29 to 30 with a 29 cab?

[CHuDWah]

Originally Posted by modela4shane

I recently purchased a 1929 closed cab pickup,its a late November production date. The engine number and the frame number all match the pink slip but the pink and registration show the truck as a 1930. My question is it possible that the truck was sold and titled as a 1930 even though its definitely a 1929. Could this be because its a late 1929 or could the DMV have entered the wrong info on the registration many years ago. Second question, should i get the vehicle inspected and change it to 1929 or just leave well enough alone and let DMV call it a 1930. My insurance company recognizes it as a 1929 CCPU. The truck is with out a question a 1929 CCPU because it has the 1927 T style doors with the big visor. Thanks for any help or thoughts.

"Back in the day", vehicles sometimes were titled as the year they were sold/titled/registered rather than the model year. Also, the "square" cab was used until mid-1930, although the 1930 version had some subtle changes from the 1929. As far as the DMV is concerned, if the dog's sleeping, let it lie.

[WHN]

Answer is yes.

Engine number/frame number represent the date engine was approved to be installed on a frame. Engine could be used right away or sit for months waiting to be used.

Engine number was stamped on frame at time engine was placed on that frame.

Ford engine number record reflects date engine was approved, not car assembly date.

I would leave it alone. It most likely is actually correct, and as built. Enjoy.

[flatford39]

Screw on gas cap is a 28 29. Bayonet style gas cap is a 30. What do you have??? Of course someone could have changed to an earlier tank if you have the screw on. My guess is that it is a 30. You are lucky that all the numbers match. That is rare.

[modela4shane]

The gas cap is a screw on type not the 30 bayonet style. I guess the truck was probabley sold in 1930, thats why its titled as such. It was assembled in the San Francisco plant and came from Chico CA. Its been in Southern CA since the early 60's, I bought it from a man who has owned it since he was 16. He is now 72 yrs old and never did any thing with it and decided to sell. This may sound crazy but i bought it this past July for my 7 year old son who is crazy about it. We installed a running B engine that i had in the shed and last week i trailered it to El Mirage dry lake where we drove the truck all day long and let him steer and hand throttle it. Lots of big smiles for this little boy, i think he has the bug now!

[JDupuis]

Good for you. You sound like an excellent dad. Jeff

[RonC]

What is the engine date?

[Chris Haynes]

A truck built in November 1929 would be a 1930 model. Not all 1930's has the blade gas cap.

[ErikPulkkinen]

I, personally, would get all the numbers to be the same on all of the paperwork. Either everything says 1930, or everything says 1929. But it is up to you in the end.

[Pickupman]

How did you come up with this information? I believe that's not accurate. A pickup that was built in November 1929 and sold in 1929 would be titled as a 1929. If this pickup was sold in 1930 then it would be titled as a 1930.

Originally Posted by Chris Haynes

A truck built in November 1929 would be a 1930 model. Not all 1930's has the blade gas cap.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

LET THE SLEEPING DOG LIE: A week after I got Buster T, reached under the covers to pet him. That SUCKER sank a FANG, clean through the middle of my THUMBNAIL & it BLED!
Bill Pain

[modela4shane]

Thanks to every one who gave advise, I think i will leave it as 1930. In a box of parts that were in the bed are a set of CALIFORNIA 1930 plates that might have been the original ones that were with the truck when new. They have nice patina that matches the truck....I WILL LET SLEEPING DOGS LAY.
Thank you,Shane

[Charlie Stephens]

Originally Posted by modela4shane

Thanks to every one who gave advise, I think i will leave it as 1930. In a box of parts that were in the bed are a set of CALIFORNIA 1930 plates that might have been the original ones that were with the truck when new. They have nice patina that matches the truck....I WILL LET SLEEPING DOGS LAY.
Thank you,Shane

If they are the correct commercial plates they are quite valuable, don't let anyone talk you out of them. They should have the letters "PC" on the plate standing for "Pneumatic Commercial". If they are just the regular car plates the DMV will let you use them for YOM registration. Attached is a photo of a'31 plate to illustrate what I mean by the letters "PC". The 1930 plates are a different color but they should have the letters "PC".

Charlie Stephens

[Neil Wilson]

Originally Posted by modela4shane

I recently purchased a 1929 closed cab pickup,its a late November production date. The engine number and the frame number all match the pink slip but the pink and registration show the truck as a 1930. My question is it possible that the truck was sold and titled as a 1930 even though its definitely a 1929. Could this be because its a late 1929 or could the DMV have entered the wrong info on the registration many years ago. Second question, should i get the vehicle inspected and change it to 1929 or just leave well enough alone and let DMV call it a 1930. My insurance company recognizes it as a 1929 CCPU. The truck is with out a question a 1929 CCPU because it has the 1927 T style doors with the big visor. Thanks for any help or thoughts.

The 82-A closed cab was used through June 1930 (it is a 1927 through June 1930 cab). Note that the engine number only dates the final approval of the assembled run-in engine, not the casting dates of the engine components, not the actual assembly date of the engine components, and not the assembly date of the vehicle.

Due to the excess engine production and the large number of engines “in float” between the Rouge plant and the 45 assembly plants in the United States and Europe, the numbers can only be used to establish the approximate production date of a Model A or AA. By the end of 1930, for example, there were 215,556 excess engines. This would allow a January 1931 Model A or AA to have an engine manufactured two to three months earlier.

A 1930 A pickup would have 1930 wheels off the assembly line.

I agree with the above. Leave the title as is and don't get the DMV involved.