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Don C · 10-22-2018, 07:34 PM

Guys maybe someone can lead me in the right direction. As I continue to take apart the 39 Deluxe I am working on I find new issues. I got the rear drums off and they do not look good, worn really bad. Did some searching and seems they are not reproduced. I am not sure of the 40 Ford wheel bolt pattern, is it the same as the 39 or it a smaller circle? if the same seems like the hub looks very similar to the 39 but the wheel bolt pattern seems smaller at least in the pictures?

Thanks,
Don

corvette8n · 10-22-2018, 07:40 PM

I believe '40 is 5 on 5-1/2.

Don C · 10-22-2018, 07:45 PM

Makes sense, it does look like a smaller pattern.

skidmarks · 10-22-2018, 07:47 PM

37 and 38 will work . 39 was a 2 piece drum hub. 36 will fit but has a different bearing and seal

Don C · 10-22-2018, 08:13 PM

Will 37 and 38 Drums fit? Found a used set but price seems high at 250 plus shipping but don't seem to be too many around.

Newc · 10-22-2018, 09:56 PM

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Hi; Those drums are getting scarce. There are so many variables that have to be right. Size 12", key way, bearing surface, and taper condition. then they went and got somewhat popular to use. Newc

TomT/Williamsburg · 10-22-2018, 10:38 PM

Here is an option if you are not going for a totally stock restoration and/or you cannot find 36-39 rear drums .... btw, it's easier to find the 36-38 rear drums vs the 39s in my experience ....

You can use the 40-48 pass car rear drums and run an adapter from American Racing (they are steel, not aluminum) to go from the 5.5 pattern to the wide 5s. They use them on circle track cars to do exactly the same thing so you know they are strong enough. Your only issue might be that the studs could be a little short. I run the adapters on the front of my avatar and the studs are just long enough - the lug nut fully covers the stud but I am running f100 front brakes and those studs could be a tad longer. You can order longer studs however ....

Not exactly as Henry intended it but it is an option ....

One final thing - there are two sets on eSlay for sake. They aren't cheap but maybe they are close enough to ouck up. Also, check the HAMB classifieds ...

1937sedandelivery · 10-22-2018, 11:23 PM

I may have some drums that will work for you. Not sure until I go check them out. Problem is, I am flying out tomorrow to Hawaii, returning in a week, and it is too late tonight. Don't know if you can wait that long to even see if mine might work for you. You can have them for the cost of shipping. The spare drums I have may even be for the fronts. Too many parts laying around. I will try to check emails when in heaven's land.
gregg

grumppyoldman · 10-23-2018, 04:27 PM

I looked up the bolt pattern for a 39 rear brake drum and it said 5X4 3/4". I have replaced the drums and hubs on my 41 and they are 5X 5 1/2, I had them turned by a guy with a lathe, since no shop has the equipment to do them with the tapered hole. I thought I had one with run-out but it was the axle. I'd be leary of selling them to someone, not knowing if they were good or not.Al

Don C · 10-23-2018, 05:56 PM

Thanks, was thinking I would have to get the 40 style wheels, sounds like a viable option if nothing is available.

Don C · 10-23-2018, 05:57 PM

Thanks. I can wait if nothing else comes along.

Don C · 10-23-2018, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomT/Williamsburg

Here is an option if you are not going for a totally stock restoration and/or you cannot find 36-39 rear drums .... btw, it's easier to find the 36-38 rear drums vs the 39s in my experience ....

You can use the 40-48 pass car rear drums and run an adapter from American Racing (they are steel, not aluminum) to go from the 5.5 pattern to the wide 5s. They use them on circle track cars to do exactly the same thing so you know they are strong enough. Your only issue might be that the studs could be a little short. I run the adapters on the front of my avatar and the studs are just long enough - the lug nut fully covers the stud but I am running f100 front brakes and those studs could be a tad longer. You can order longer studs however ....

Not exactly as Henry intended it but it is an option ....

One final thing - there are two sets on eSlay for sake. They aren't cheap but maybe they are close enough to ouck up. Also, check the HAMB classifieds ...

Will the 39 backing plates work with the 40 drum and hubs?

26 lakes · 10-23-2018, 09:04 PM

What wheel do you have on your 39? Is it a wide five wheel? Can you show us a picture of your wheel. If it is the stock wide five wheel, you have to have a wide five brake drum. It has the large bolt pattern. Lets figure out what you have on there.

Don C · 10-23-2018, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 lakes

What wheel do you have on your 39? Is it a wide five wheel? Can you show us a picture of your wheel. If it is the stock wide five wheel, you have to have a wide five brake drum. It has the large bolt pattern. Lets figure out what you have on there.

It's the wide 5 but there are adapters available as Tom T mentioned to go from the 5.5 to the wide 5.

Charlie Stephens · 10-23-2018, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumppyoldman

I looked up the bolt pattern for a 39 rear brake drum and it said 5X4 3/4". I have replaced the drums and hubs on my 41 and they are 5X 5 1/2, I had them turned by a guy with a lathe, since no shop has the equipment to do them with the tapered hole. I thought I had one with run-out but it was the axle. I'd be leary of selling them to someone, not knowing if they were good or not.Al

The '39 is 5 on 10 1/4. Either your data is wrong or you are reading it wrong.

Charlie Stephens

V8COOPMAN · 10-24-2018, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don C

Will the 39 backing plates work with the 40 drum and hubs?

Yes....backing plate is the same '39-'41. DD

10-22-2018, 07:34 PM	#1
Don C Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Sorrento Lousiana Posts: 15	1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums Guys maybe someone can lead me in the right direction. As I continue to take apart the 39 Deluxe I am working on I find new issues. I got the rear drums off and they do not look good, worn really bad. Did some searching and seems they are not reproduced. I am not sure of the 40 Ford wheel bolt pattern, is it the same as the 39 or it a smaller circle? if the same seems like the hub looks very similar to the 39 but the wheel bolt pattern seems smaller at least in the pictures? Thanks, Don

10-22-2018, 07:40 PM	#2
corvette8n Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: 36 miles north of Albany NY Posts: 2,944	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums I believe '40 is 5 on 5-1/2.

10-22-2018, 07:45 PM	#3
Don C Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Sorrento Lousiana Posts: 15	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums Makes sense, it does look like a smaller pattern.

10-22-2018, 07:47 PM	#4
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums 37 and 38 will work . 39 was a 2 piece drum hub. 36 will fit but has a different bearing and seal

10-22-2018, 08:13 PM	#5
Don C Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Sorrento Lousiana Posts: 15	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums Will 37 and 38 Drums fit? Found a used set but price seems high at 250 plus shipping but don't seem to be too many around.

10-22-2018, 09:56 PM	#6
Newc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,482	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Hi; Those drums are getting scarce. There are so many variables that have to be right. Size 12", key way, bearing surface, and taper condition. then they went and got somewhat popular to use. Newc

10-22-2018, 10:38 PM	#7
TomT/Williamsburg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Williamsburg, Virginia Posts: 2,654	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums Here is an option if you are not going for a totally stock restoration and/or you cannot find 36-39 rear drums .... btw, it's easier to find the 36-38 rear drums vs the 39s in my experience .... You can use the 40-48 pass car rear drums and run an adapter from American Racing (they are steel, not aluminum) to go from the 5.5 pattern to the wide 5s. They use them on circle track cars to do exactly the same thing so you know they are strong enough. Your only issue might be that the studs could be a little short. I run the adapters on the front of my avatar and the studs are just long enough - the lug nut fully covers the stud but I am running f100 front brakes and those studs could be a tad longer. You can order longer studs however .... Not exactly as Henry intended it but it is an option .... One final thing - there are two sets on eSlay for sake. They aren't cheap but maybe they are close enough to ouck up. Also, check the HAMB classifieds ... __________________ Run to the LA Roadster Show - 2016 My Run to Bonneville - 2013 My 32 5-Window Build My Run to the LSRU Last edited by TomT/Williamsburg; 10-22-2018 at 10:47 PM.

10-22-2018, 11:23 PM	#8
1937sedandelivery Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 331	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums I may have some drums that will work for you. Not sure until I go check them out. Problem is, I am flying out tomorrow to Hawaii, returning in a week, and it is too late tonight. Don't know if you can wait that long to even see if mine might work for you. You can have them for the cost of shipping. The spare drums I have may even be for the fronts. Too many parts laying around. I will try to check emails when in heaven's land. gregg

10-23-2018, 04:27 PM	#9
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums I looked up the bolt pattern for a 39 rear brake drum and it said 5X4 3/4". I have replaced the drums and hubs on my 41 and they are 5X 5 1/2, I had them turned by a guy with a lathe, since no shop has the equipment to do them with the tapered hole. I thought I had one with run-out but it was the axle. I'd be leary of selling them to someone, not knowing if they were good or not.Al

10-23-2018, 05:56 PM	#10
Don C Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Sorrento Lousiana Posts: 15	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums Thanks, was thinking I would have to get the 40 style wheels, sounds like a viable option if nothing is available.

10-23-2018, 05:57 PM	#11
Don C Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Sorrento Lousiana Posts: 15	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums Thanks. I can wait if nothing else comes along.

10-23-2018, 09:04 PM	#13
26 lakes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lee's Summit, Mo Posts: 338	Re: 1939 Ford Deluxe Rear Brake Drums What wheel do you have on your 39? Is it a wide five wheel? Can you show us a picture of your wheel. If it is the stock wide five wheel, you have to have a wide five brake drum. It has the large bolt pattern. Lets figure out what you have on there.