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Old 03-16-2020, 03:28 PM   #1
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Hi, I am new to the site. From Baltimore Maryland. I am a 78 year old hot rodder since a very early age. Now there is a 32 Ford pickup, a 34 Ford Pickup, a '29 fiberglass roadster, and a partial 32 Ford chassis in the garage. I have a Dan Price Cragar 4-port head on a Model B/C block with all the fixings in the deuce pickup. I am seeking any information you folks may have on the Miller/Schofield/Cragar DOHC head for the A/B/C engines circa 1929-1934. I have partial blueprints from the Gordon E. White Goossen Archives, I have a Hot Rod Magazine article from January 1951 by Don Francisco, and I have seen it mentioned in an interview of an old dirt track racer. Any info you can suggest will be appreciated.

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Old 03-16-2020, 05:00 PM   #2
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Hi, I am new to the site. From Baltimore Maryland. I am a 78 year old hot rodder since a very early age. Now there is a 32 Ford pickup, a 34 Ford Pickup, a '29 fiberglass roadster, and a partial 32 Ford chassis in the garage. I have a Dan Price Cragar 4-port head on a Model B/C block with all the fixings in the deuce pickup. I am seeking any information you folks may have on the Miller/Schofield/Cragar DOHC head for the A/B/C engines circa 1929-1934. I have partial blueprints from the Gordon E. White Goossen Archives, I have a Hot Rod Magazine article from January 1951 by Don Francisco, and I have seen it mentioned in an interview of an old dirt track racer. Any info you can suggest will be appreciated.

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Have you talked to Dan about this? The next thought would be to see what the Speedy Bill collection has. Also, have you asked this on the HAMB board?
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Old 03-17-2020, 12:23 PM   #3
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Kem Robertson is a researcher on such things, so you might ask him. He has written articles in F.A.S.T. magazine on Cragar and a very complete series on the Winfield Bros. I'm sending you a P.M.
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Old 03-17-2020, 04:28 PM   #4
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Thanks, Jim Brierley. I will ask him via e-mail. BTW, I have had your book for some time and it is in my research pile at the kitchen table.
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Old 03-18-2020, 07:23 AM   #6
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JohnCl welcome aboard and great collection of cars trucks I cant help with your question but will bump her to the top..
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Old 03-19-2020, 04:43 PM   #7
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I have made contact with Kem Robertson and I have ordered back issues of FAST magazine with his articles. Now I have to wait and wait some more.
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Old 03-20-2020, 04:24 PM   #8
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I had a very long telephone chat with Kem Robertson today. So much detail! I anxiously await his articles in the back issues of FAST Magazine. Tracking down information almost a century old has been his hunt, he said, for 30 years. I'm just tipping my toes in the water by comparison.
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:07 PM   #9
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John,

You are just starting into the world of Bangers and it truly can be a life-long pursuit.

The stories behind all of these designs are amazing.

A few others to inquire about, McDowell, Moller, Gemsa, HAL, Bruce Johnson and even the Brierley flat head.

Enjoy, John
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Old 03-21-2020, 12:51 PM   #10
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johnnielson, what do you mean "life-long", I have only been playing with bangers for about 64 years.
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Old 03-21-2020, 06:06 PM   #11
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Mr. Brierley,


Keep at it, get the Tank back out to Bonneville this year, if we have a race.


I had to make an essential attitude adjustment errand today, what do you think?
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Old 03-22-2020, 11:05 AM   #12
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Looking GOOD! Ron keeps saying he is working on engine removal, he works as slow as I do!
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:07 PM   #13
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Jim,


I can relate, I haven't spent much time in the shop as I should.


See if this helps the motivation.......
I think this was the 4 port Flathead
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:23 AM   #14
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I located another source of information about Miller and Goossen and their development of heads for the Model A/B engine. It is the Mark Dees book about Miller. There are new-to-me photographs and two short chapters of writing. I have also located www.milleroffy.com as a very interesting site that has an index of many old drawings some of which are about the mystery heads. The info search continues. :-)
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Old 03-26-2020, 07:13 AM   #15
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I received the back issues of FAST Magazine which have Kem Robertson's 20-part story on the Winfields. But I have to get further back in time to find anything on Cragar, apparently. So I have ordered more back-issues. I have been doing a lot of further reading in my own library and have been finding photographic material helpful in seeing cam tower designs and can drive gear train designs. These are the missing drawings for the DOHC Cragar in the Goossen Archives, hence such evidence is useful but conjectural. I have the drawings on order for the Miller-T DOHC head (it may be a Frontenac--GR White was not sure). I have to wait for Gordon to get his printer fixed. What with the corona virus related business disruptions that may take a while.

Meanwhile, I am also working on my hot rods as spring weather encourages me.
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Old 03-26-2020, 11:41 AM   #16
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F.A.S.T. did an article earlier just on Cragar. They also did a yearly index on their magazine. Contact them and see if they can't find that article/articles?
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Old 03-27-2020, 04:19 PM   #17
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I found two Cragar references in the indexes for 2013 and 2014. I have ordered the back issues that are available from FAST because of those I received so far I have learned something in each issue. Too bad FAST is heading toward shut down. A/B lovers are a great community now strongly connected via the internet, but the things in print are essential to me, too.
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Old 03-29-2020, 12:11 PM   #18
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There was a lot of interchange of ideas and even patterns back in the day, so some heads are almost identical, with minor changes in cam towers, etc. Have fun!
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